WTF is a SPETNAZ shovel?

**Dr. Sleepless** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 3:46pm

So I've been reading a bunch of books lately that talk about a Spetnaz's shovel. What the hell is that? And why is it so important? Can someone shed some light on this?

**Antifa** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 3:49pm

Originally Posted by Sirc

So I've been reading a bunch of books lately that talk about a Spetnaz's shovel. What the hell is that?

The last thing you'll see if you piss off the wrong russian

**sdave** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 3:58pm

The Spetsnaz are reputedly quite t3h d34dl33 with their entrenching tools.

Cold Steel (maker of a pretty badass kukri) manufactures a Spetz Shovel replica with pre-sharpened edges.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 4:01pm

Systema, LOL

**Hanniballistic** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 4:01pm

Originally Posted by Antifa

The last thing you'll see if you piss off the wrong russian

HA! I like it!!

**Permalost** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 4:06pm

Here's the website for the above mentioned shovel:
http://www.coldsteel.com/92sfs.html

There's a clip from one of their "Proof" DVDs showing the destructive power of the shovel. I'll bet it could dig, too.

For fun, here's the kukri he was talking about:
http://www.coldsteel.com/35ltc.html
There's another cutting demo that convinces me a cut from a kukri will ruin a person. They used to make a small version of the Gurkha kukri that was pretty good. Cold Steel has discontinued some of the stuff I like.

**BackFistMonkey** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 4:09pm

Originally Posted by Antifa

The last thing you'll see if you piss off the wrong russian

I've pissed off alot of Russians and I only see them in military surplus stores , camping supply stores , and pictured on RBSD and Systema websites .

If I am ever found with one buried in my forehead ... we know who did it ... and that Hapkido knife defenses don't work on small shovels .

**Antifa** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 4:19pm

Originally Posted by Sirc

So I've been reading a bunch of books lately that talk about a Spetnaz's shovel. What the hell is that? And why is it so important? Can someone shed some light on this?

Seriously though. Allegedly and from what I have heard (so I'm standing to be corrected if I'm wrong), a Spetnaz shovel is a military entrenching tool that is used by spetnaz. allegedly they are shapered and balanced for throwing.

I've never seen one so....

take it with a grain of salt... it might be systema propaganda

**Neildo** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 4:45pm

My dad's entrenching tool came with a sharpened edge. I used it to chop wood after I broke his woodaxe when we were camping once. It worked okay, but the handle shape made it a bit awkward.

He picked it up at some surplus store, i think it was Canadian issue. Fully colapsable. *shrug*
It broke a while back. Damn rust.

The one sdave posted looks pretty sweet. I'd get one.

**Roaming East** · Posted On: 12/13/2006 7:36pm

Historically, ET's as a melee weapon is well documented. During Stalingrad, Germans lacking SMG's prefered the shovel to their rifles and knifes in CQC and house to house fighting. There are lots of anecdotal evidence of ET's shovels and spades being used offensively in trench raiding combat in both world wars as well. At least two references to US troops using their ET's over knives or machetes in mano y mano combat in Vietnam.