12/12/2006 6:44am, #31Originally Posted by Angry_Spastic
On what grounds?
The grounds that you are a whiny, pretentious, pseudointellectual, asshat.
There you go.....Not exactly a full armbar, but does show that the concept of locking the elbow was not foreign to the greeks....
12/12/2006 7:13am, #32
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I interpreted Angry_Spastic's definition of ground-fighting as actally going down with the target, as seen in pride-fights, etc. The picture you post mr.Oldman is the kind of locks that Fiore allso shows, but he doesn't show any thing where he's truely rolling around on the floor with the victim/opponent.
Now modern olympc wresteling often do go to the ground, but I don't see much of arm-locks when I watch olympic wresteling; it seems to be all about rolling/throwing the opponent, and that any "lethal" techniques have been peeled off?
Allthough I don't know anything about the history of modern olympic wresteling, I guess that it originates in stuff where you did the locks standing-if possible, but if uou went down (and if the rules stated that the fight wasn't over when things went to the ground), then they probably did the locks while rolling around on the floor as well?
12/12/2006 7:25am, #33Originally Posted by RetardedFuckwit
Well in that case you're slinging boulders yourself Cracky. You are a self confessed fascist who should go and suplex Christopher Newell and leave me alone.
Right, because getting instruction from a Gene Lebell blackbelt is crappling. Or rather not.
12/12/2006 7:28am, #34
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12/12/2006 7:39am, #35Originally Posted by Stolenbjorn
I didnt say that the picture was of an armbar on the ground.....If you read english as well as you type it then I can see where you got confused.
I posted it, as I stated, to show that the concept of armbars/locking the elbow was not foreign to them, and one could make the leap to the fact that an armbar was used in a variety of positions.
In Fiore' I am sure that they cover actual scenarios where fights go to the ground right? I gather from my research that it is a mostly weapons based style, but in the event that a fight does go down, do they teach jont locks and then a weapon attack, or just a straight weapon attack?
Being as Fiore is fairly old, I would think that it could have incorporated some moves from other fighting styles, including Grec-Roman Wrestling. So are there any examples of armbars in it?
12/12/2006 8:16am, #36
Pankration had joint locks and chokes. It even had "tapping out." Pankration is significantly older than JJJ.
12/12/2006 11:44am, #37Originally Posted by Shawarma
12/12/2006 12:54pm, #38Originally Posted by oldman34Shut the hell up and train.
12/12/2006 3:04pm, #39
12/12/2006 5:50pm, #40Originally Posted by jnp
However, it does show that the idea of locks were not foreign to them, which was my intent, as I stated in my post.