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    Introduction and Why Blaise Loong doesn't look good to this Apache

    Hello everyone

    My name is Shazaaye (Pronounced "Shazawn") Puebla. I was raised in Apache Warrior ways from birth, yes we are alive and well and very modern, I learned Jeet Kune Do from Dan Inasanto, and Bujinkan Ninjitsu from Dale Seago. I have my own art I call Akimbo which is a blend of the above along with Druid Cosmology. :) Welcome to the twenty-first Century.

    Because of a comment made by a poster on the Blaise Loong issue, I have to state that our culture is thriving and growing, a culture that stays stagnant dies; we are a Living People with a Living Culture. There is no need to reconstruct our Warrior Traditions because they have never been lost; few people know them because they are not needed by most people. even if enthusiasts like myself didn't exist they would still not be dead because they are part of a "complex Matrix" that makes up Apache Culture: Simply put our traditions are like a windows program, anyone proficient in our culture can "down load" information as needed. Most Apache Warrior Ways enthusiasts learn in this manner, self taught, and we all come up with the same conclusions by "down loading" our elusive warrior traditions from the pattern of our culture. In Short our culture is an information network: LOL We surf OUR Web by eating Peyote. (For more info on this see the book "Living Life's Circle: A Mescalero Apache Cosmovision" by Clair Farrer; 1991 University of New Mexico Press. "It's the best book ever writen about my people.")

    On that note, I express myself on the Blaise Loong issue.


    Question:

    Quote Originally Posted by eyebeams
    Anybody know anything about what this guy claims to teach? He says he knows:

    * Apache guerilla warfare!
    * Viking martial arts!
    * Roman gladiator martial arts!

    He's got pics of him and Dan Inosanto (and some pics of him training in Silat) and seems to have a base as a JKD guy. He seems to be claiming that he's trained in the above with surviving practitioners rather than just reconstructed them. Seems a bit hard to swallow.

    Any thoughts? When I did a search for his name he was just mentioned in passing when it came to WMA.

    His site: http://www.blayshalla.com/

    My Answer:

    I am Niit'ahende Band Mescalero Apache and was raised with this "Martial Art" Blaise calls Apache guerilla warfare. I can tell you that it has never died and if Blaise wants to teach it to nonnatives he's going to run into the same problem Bruce Lee did when he taught Kung Fu to non Chinese. If you ask any Apache about this they will likely reinforce your belief that our warrior traditions are Dead or, better, ask you "What do we need those things for; are we about to be attacked or something?" The bottom line is that it is neglected out of lack of necessity not dead.

    The Archaic methods exist only as historical reference, and for the purpose of improvised weapons development, as times have changed. Most people are taught that us Apache Stopped fighting in 1886; LOL no, the last of us freedom fighters continued fighting out of the Apache Stronghold in the Sierra Madre until 1935. I know this first hand because my Great Grandfather is the Apache Kid (San Carlos Apache), and Known to my family as Libredo Sanchez.

    If you look at the pictures of our people during the 1800s, you will see a radical change in our armorment. We went from shields, war clubs, spears, and Machetes, to Rifles and Pistols. Adaption is vital to the Apache Warrior tradition. We don't hold on to things nostalgically.

    Blaise's site says:

    "Being part Chiricahua Apache, Blaise sought out his relatives on the
    San Carlos and FortApache Indian reservations in South Eastern Arizona..."

    Blaise allows himself to be called "Part Chiricahua Apache,"we do not call our selves "Part." When I acknowledge my Scottish blood, I say "I am Niit'ahende Band Mescalero Apache/ Clan Macpherson Alba." Note that there are no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

    After proving himself worthy to the elders, the old Grandfathers (since 1985) have meticulously trained Blaise in 3 areas : hunting and survival, Nagondzog -- the uniquely Apache brand of guerrilla warfare, made famous by such Warchiefs as Geronimo and Cochise,...

    Blaise dose show some knowledge of the Apache Language; how ever he dose not appear to grasp our concepts within the context of Apache Culture. "Nagondzog" dose appear to be San Carlos Apache, or other Western Apache dialect, which is were he claims to have learned
    Warrior Ways. By the way Cochise is Famous as a Diplomat, not a famous war leader. When they say "...the uniquely Apache brand of guerrilla warfare..." this is rather hokey: One can learn elements of Apache warfare from the United States Special Forces; for those of you unfamiliar with the History of the Special Forces, prior to being called this they were known as "The U.S. Army Indian Scouts." To this day the Special Forces Crest bears the Crossed Arrows emblem of the U.S. Army Indian Scouts. I know because I was a Chaplin's Assistant with the 19th Special Forces Group. Funny thing really; they were freaked out by all the weapons I hid on my person when ever we went to the field. They used to joke that I was a mobile Weapons Room. LOL (In the Special Forces, a big part of being a Chaplin's Assistant is being his body Guard. My Orders on this "The Chaplin doesnt die unless you die first in defence of him. If he dies and you don't, you will be Court Marshaled.")

    ...and Diyin, the Apache realm of supernatural Power."


    Here Blaise is allowing himself to be called a Medicine Man: "Diyin" Is Chiricahua for a Medicine Man, it is not the "Apache realm of supernatural power." In the Dialect he claims this would be "Diyi." The "n" personifies this to mean Medicine Person (we have no gender pronouns). A person not knowledgeable of Apache Languages could get this confused by reading the writings of Anthropologist Eve Ball.

    What Blaise Loong has going for him and against him:

    Many of our methods resemble Kung Fu, such as spear methods (We are genetically related to Tibetans), our foot work is more similar to Bujinkan Ninjitsu (Watch Traditional Dancers at Powwow and Eagle Dancers and compare this with the stealth methods taught by Ninjitsu). The "Besh" (Knife) is a primary weapon, but I do not see Blaise refer to the Tse'aal (Stone Carrier) which is also a Traditional Primary Weapon; it is a rawhide equivalent of the Flail (Mace and Chain), and is as complex a weapon as the Nunchaku.

    He is right when he says that our Warrior Traditions are formless and informal, many of our attitudes are actually shared by the Celts, a leader keeps discipline by being a competent leader, if he fails at this he gets impeached. My problem here is that he dose not refer to the Cosmological elements of our traditions which are important to understanding the warrior Path, anyone who knows anything about our Traditions knows that every element of our Culture works like a windows program, as everything is interrelated to everything else. Blaise is claiming to have a large amount of technical Knowledge here (Can you say the equivalent of a PH.D. in Military Science?)

    What Blaise Loong has going against him:

    I was a Traditional (Shield) Dancer in the California Powwow Circuit from 1989-1995 and "Traditional Apache Shield Dancers" are rare. Because of this we grouped together and there were all of five of us in
    Northern California and Three in Southern California; I never heard of Blaise Loong during this time. Dancing and Running are primary physical activities in Apache Warrior Ways.

    Blaise has not responded to a very friendly email I sent him when I found him on a search for others involved in
    Apache Warrior Ways. In that email I gave him my Credentials and offered to work with him and share knowledge. I can tell you first hand that any Apache who carries this Medicine is eager for company, we are rare due to the fact that there is not much use for War Medicine when we are not at war.
    Native American Indian Civilizations are based on community, not being Rambo, this includes
    Warrior Ways. Blaise fails to address the importance of community and patriotism, the Monster Cycle of the Twin Warrior Gods, Preparation and Cleansing, and "The Four Laws," our equivalent of the Bushido Code.

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    Oh Newbie town rules...

    it's like when you're getting head and need to fart. no matter how much you want to, you just can't.
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    Could we maybe see a tribal document or other establishing proof of tribal membership?


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    I may have missed something but could you go into more detail about how Druid Cosmology and peyote tie into all of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehogey
    Could we maybe see a tribal document or other establishing proof of tribal membership?
    Hi hedgehog,

    I understand that anyone can call themselves any race that they want, however I find your comment very offensive as it is a racial stereotype; it is just as absurd and offensive as asking a Jew for their families Concentration Camp number in order to prove they are Jewish, or to ask a black person to produce documents of slavery in order to prove they are Afro-American. Contrary to Anglo arrogance, not all of us surrendered or were captured. Additionally, you are talking about a people whose country extended into Mexico.

    Why haven’t you asked me to prove my Scottish lineage by proving Scottish Citizenship? Do you hold Citizenship from the counties where your ancestors came from? Understand, that hucksters (fake Ndns) avoid us Real Natives because we know what’s what.

    My nation (i.e. Tribe) recognizes me as a nonenrolled (i.e. noncitizen) Mescalero Apache I have not only been accepted but have been active in the American Indian Community all of my life: I am a Traditional Dancer, a Member of The Native American Church, I was National Youth Chair for the American Indian Scouting Association in 1982 (This requires proof of being American Indian), The State of Utah Recognizes me as “Native American,” The United States Army recognizes me as “Native American,” just to name a few. If you want to challenge my race I will be happy to take you to civil court for Defamation of Character and Racial Discrimination. Is that proof enough?

    Please keep away from the Racist comments.
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    Peyote and Druidism

    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceDoff
    I may have missed something but could you go into more detail about how Druid Cosmology and peyote tie into all of this?
    LOL. Sorry I lost you brother. But this is a very good question and it’s going to be difficult to explain with out graphics if you’re not knowledgeable Cosmology (aka Cosmo-Anthropology). Hadn’t expected this one as I tend to take such things for granted and didn’t expect anyone to catch the connection when my statements were in regards to two different subjects. Good insight PeaceDoff.

    As you most likely know already, there is a spiritual side to Martial Arts. Have you ever studied Druidism or Metaphysics and/or gone on a Vision Quest or have any Knowledge of the Peyote Sacrament? I ask this because it will help me know how I need to explain the technicalities of this to you.

    I defiantly recommend that you read the book “Living Life’s Circle” if you are sincere in your question, as it will be a great help for you in understanding my world view on this issue; it will help you understand what I am explaining to you.

    After years of study, I have found that Druidism has as complex of a Cosmology as my Mescalero Apache lineage. It has been very fascinating to find that its teachings are just as interwoven into one another, and with the world and life as any Native American Tradition. Akimbo is geared toward the Euro-American, more specifically for the Neopagan community. This is the reason that I use Druidism as one of the bases for Akimbo. It helps me to explain the universe to my students by focusing on their genetic memory; in this way students are able to reclaim the ineffable aspects of their European ancestors that have lain dormant in them for generations. In a nut shell, Bruce Lee wanted to show Euro-Americans the beauty of his Culture; I want to show Persons of European decent the Beauty of their own Culture.

    Indecently, I am not looking to market Akimbo; I am not into the warrior Traditions for profit. To me this is a service to others in helping them understand themselves and their place in the Universe.

    As far as peyote, that is something of my culture and it is not part of Akimbo directly. This is the means by which I grasped the interrelatedness of the teachings of Druidism; by harmonizing with my own Native European Ancestry. At one time I was very angry about being mixed blood and it caused me a lot of problems. Mother Peyote guided me to find peace with myself by making peace between the Indian and Whiteman within me. From this I was able to grasp the parallels between the histories of my Celtic Ancestors and American Indian Peoples. When I grasped the parallels between incidents such as, for example, the slaughter of the Druids on Anglesey and the slaughter of the Ghost Dancers at Wounded Knee, Boudica Crushing the Roman 9th Legion and Crazy Horse Crushing the 7th Cavalry, I began to understand and I began to cry for my Native European People (Ancestors to present); for the first time in my life I was able to love my Native European Ancestors, and from that point I started to study, and embrace, my Celtic Heritage.
    I think this is good for a start.

    Aho
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    not training, injured

    Sorry to read that you have been inured and are unable to train. My prayers are with you for your recovery
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    Don't Fart

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateJon
    Oh Newbie town rules...

    it's like when you're getting head and need to fart. no matter how much you want to, you just can't.
    LOL. I'll try to remember.
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    Since you want to question Blaise's credentials, and you've already threatened to sue another member I'm shifting this thread out of newbietown. Do not start another thread in that section.
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    Understood

    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Browning
    Since you want to question Blaise's credentials, and you've already threatened to sue another member I'm shifting this thread out of newbietown. Do not start another thread in that section.
    I understand your position. Please understand that that threat was justified and I feel justified about questioning Blaise. We don't need a "Sun Bear or Carlos Castenada" in the Martial Arts world; we don't need another Ashada Kim.

    If you know something that might change my mind about Blaise then by all means share it with me. If you can get Blaise to defend his Credentials then even better. If I am wrong about this brother then I will admit it and apologize. But as it stands you can take this that his Credentials are being Formally Challenged by the Native American Community by some one who knows these Traditions.

    Thank you for you post and blessings to you and your family

    All my relations

    Aho and naaisha

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