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  1. Equipoise is offline
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by GIJoe6186

    Weight lifting is for strength. Bodyweight conditioning is for muscle endurance. 100 is just an a goal I have.
    This is incorrect.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    BTW, from the perspective of avoiding shoulder injury, it places far less stress on the shoulder girdle to keep the elbows tight to your body.
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    So what do you reccemmend Equipose? No pushups at all? Not even plyo stuff?

    Does dynamic lifting get the plyo stuff done better? Would whole body conditioning be better like burpees and such? What i the use for bodyweight excercises, assuming you already incorporate heavy lifting?
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    Equipose, could you clarify for me, is your argument that the kind of muscle endurance developed in a person who can do pushups in sets of 100 isn't useful to martial arts or is your argument that lifting heavy for low reps trains this type of endurance too ?
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    Do the Armstrong Pull Up System

    http://www.4mcd.usmc.mil/AOP/OSOHyat...%20Program.htm

    This way, you'll work both "Push" and "Pull" muscles at the same time, and notice much more dramatic gains in your push ups AND pull ups. You could also modify the morning push up routine for different types of push ups.

    i.e. Monday you do normal, Tuesday you do diamond, Wednesday you do wide, Thursday you do "Elbows in", Friday you do normal, etc...

    Pick up one of these if you don' t have a bar at home.

    http://www.amazon.com/Everlast-Multi...sporting-goods
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    Bodyweight exercises are not necessarily for endurance; the type of training you're doing is a function of intensity. You can use weighted exercises that you can rep all day on just as easily as you can find bodyweight exercises that kill you to do more than one or two of.

    If I wanted to increase the number of push-ups I could do, push-ups would still be my main exercise. However, I'd also look at a number of supplementary factors, including any weak links (e.g. tricep or abdominal strength) and my maximal strength for the bench press (increasing that will increase the number of push-ups I can do). Plyometric and dynamic work would both help, but they are not the same thing.
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