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  1. MEGALEF is offline

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    Two more judo rules questions..

    1. Does knee-on-belly count as a pin in competition? I asked an instructor and he had never seen it before and couldn't say for sure. If it does then that's really great because no pure judoka I've ever rolled with has had a clue how to escape it and it is really hard to roll to turtle out of.

    2. If I try for jikogu jime/hell strangle/crucifix choke and don't get the choke at once, does it count as a pin for the opponent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGALEF
    1. Does knee-on-belly count as a pin in competition? I asked an instructor and he had never seen it before and couldn't say for sure. If it does then that's really great because no pure judoka I've ever rolled with has had a clue how to escape it and it is really hard to roll to turtle out of.
    This is a complete guess so take it with a pinch of salt but, if your instructor hasnt ever seen it before, theres a good likelihood a referee won't have either. So it all depends on how he reacts. Try and find a copy of the rules for whatever tourney you're competiting in and see if they define a pin, or if theres anything which specifically bans knee-on-belly or hints that it might.
  3. roly is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGALEF
    1. Does knee-on-belly count as a pin in competition? I asked an instructor and he had never seen it before and couldn't say for sure. If it does then that's really great because no pure judoka I've ever rolled with has had a clue how to escape it and it is really hard to roll to turtle out of.

    2. If I try for jikogu jime/hell strangle/crucifix choke and don't get the choke at once, does it count as a pin for the opponent?

    knee on belly: in my experience no
    but its fairy easy to trainsition from knee on belly to something else, so if they dont start counting, just transition to side control or something (stupid compicated rules)

    crucifix strangle: usually no, but i have seen a referee start counting at a local level competition
    this is a difficult situation, if they wont tap before the 25 seconds, its hard to let go and transition into something without giving them the upper hand, maybe someone else can help out here


    judo competition rules suck
  4. MONGO is offline

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    1. No for KOB. You may get stopped if your posture is too straight because it will look like you are standing up.

    2. Okuri Eri Jime is a Judo waza also but it is usually uncommon. If your ref doesn't know it, it is a big issue with their ability as a ref.
  5. Res Judicata is offline

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    Knee on belly (uki gatame) is no longer considered a pin under IJF rules. You're allowed to do it in competition and transition to something else, however. Besides, its freaking hard to pin someone for 25 seconds under knee on belly!

    http://judoforum.com/index.php?showt...&hl=uki+gatame
    http://judoforum.com/index.php?showt...=knee+on+belly
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    Excuse me if these are stupid questions but I was wondering about some things too.

    1. Was atemi waza always illegal in Judo even in the early days.

    2. Why are leg locks and Kani Basami illegal?

    3. How strict are judges on using wrestling throws in competitions?
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  7. MONGO is offline

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    !. Atemi has always been illegal

    2. Kani Basami is seen as a dangerous attack to the legs. Leg locks have always been illegal in shiai as far as I know. I haven't seen any of the agreed upon rules during the establishing period of the Kodokan.

    3. Wrestling throws are mostly legal if they are throws and gripping rules are followed. 5 seconds for same side/ pants grips and no drag downs. The big issue about some wrestling and other martial art's throws are the head first impact danger. Some suplexes can be judged as dangerous and the competitor can be DQed.
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    okay thanks Mongo.
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  9. Res Judicata is offline

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    Kani Basami was banned primarily because Yamashita broke his leg by not performing ukemi from it in shiai. It's not really that dangerous, especially with lighter people.

    Leg locks were banned sometime in the early 20th C because there was an unacceptably high rate and severity of injury. They were legal early on. Basically everything that is currently legal at high level BJJ competition was once legal in Judo competition.
  10. roly is offline

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    i thought leglocks and atemi were taken out by kano so judo would be allowed into the olympics

    kinda like the ufc added in more rules to be allowed
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