Maybe, just maybe it is possible to drive one of the bones in the vicinity of the nose into some part of the brain. I mean possible in the "tornado driving a straw through a tree" sense. (Not very likely.) The likelyhood of one of those small bones causing enough damage to kill you instantly is quite small. The likelyhood that the *impact* will not kill you instantly and allow you be actually killed by the bone is even smaller.
So, I would have to say it is possible to kill instantly by driving the nose bone into the brain. It's just highly improbable. Sort of like the possibility of spontaneously transforming into a penguin (approx. 2 to the power of 240,000 to 1).:new_scatt
I can transform into a penguin at will. It's part of my training in Ki breathing.
In the later picture you will see the ethmoid bone--the slightly spikey bone in the middle.
Originally Posted by Kidspatula
There is a slight . . . slight . . . slight chance a fracture will tear the veins or worse arteries that can lead to "t3h d34dly." Severe fractures to the floor of the anterior fossa [The space in front that contains the ethmoid, sphenoid, and frontal bones.--Ed.] can tear vessels, which can lead to infarcts of the brain, swelling, bleeding, and nastiness-oh-my. The impact can also damage the frontal lobes--which sit on a rather rough floor of the anterior fossa not adequately shown in the drawing.
This can happen from more mundane mechanisms like a fall with fracture or a car accident.
I am unaware of this happening in a fight.
However, as others indicate, you can damage the frontal lobes without killing someone--lobotomy or more properly "leukotomy" and contussions.
Most, if not all, "t3h d34dly" strikes to the head involve a severe head injury with secondary deterioration--swelling, a fracture causes bleeding. The classical "temple shot" is a variation of that--fracture the thin part of the squamous temporal bone . . . this severes either the middle meningeal artery or vein . . . blood accumulates . . . person dies . . . "t3h d34dly d3l4y'd Touch . . . of DEATH!."
More like a hard shot . . . a very hard shot. It is also not instantaneous. The guy may go "out" but he is not dead . . . yet. The "classical" story is someone who is knocked out, "comes to," walks about as blood accumulates until he falls asleep and shuttles off from this mortal coil. One of the reasons for the "keep them awake" story.
If you cannot keep the person awake . . . gee whiz you have a problem!
That is rather different from a "bone causes instant death!" myth.
The force--energy--required from a punch to fracture the floor of the anterior fossa, as you suggest, to do what the myth requires would be more than sufficient to not only knock someone unconscious, but to do other damage . . . particularly when his head hits the pavement!
So to target this--to "plan" do hit someone to drive a bone into their brain . . . is ludicrous LARP'ng. "Iron Mike" Tyson evoked it in the beginning of his career to scare opponents.
Excellent point, Doc. If someone can use a hammer to drive an icepick through the eye socket and then destroy part of the frontal lobes by moving them all around (read here, a transorbital lobotomy), what chance does a little chunk of bone have, especially considering that the bone can't get to the brain anyway?
Unsurprisingly, Doc. X is correct again - the impact of the head against the ground has a higher probability of causing more serious damage than the rising palm strike to the nose.
Dude I'm not quite sure to why you posted that link since it was in the start of the thread, but hey, I'll let it slide and thank you for spreading the article some more.
Originally Posted by saturnjunkie
Lol thx for the heads up. You should consider joining the adopt-a-noobie-organization where you might find me on the up-for-adoption-list. Nah just kidding, I can see why you are one of the more respected posters in here. Props to you for the info.
Originally Posted by TKD Black Belt
"Dammit, Donnie. Why you gotta get all smart on us?" Doctor X:icon_wink
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Originally Posted by Dave Humm
Yeah..."The Last Boy Scout"...wow...
I asked my wife....(Mrs. Oldman34, RN, CLNC, BSN, Lead Clinical Nurse, ER Head Nurse for 8 years) if it was possible to kill someone like this. After she finished laughing and asked me if Doc X put me up to this....
She said. "No."
There is no bone in the nose that can be broken loose and driven into the brain. The end of the nose is cartilidge and the nose itself is a small protrusion from the skull. She said that if you were hit in the nose hard enough (she has seen this happen to a patient that got hit by a 2x4) that death would come from the blunt force trauma that either caused the brain to swell or from the crushing of the occipital or nasal bones. which would also cause swelling and possible internal bleeding in the brain. She called it a hematoma (spelling?)
She also said that the chance of someone striking you hard enough (with one blow) with their hand to crush these bones is so astronomical that it is near to impossible. She did say that repeated blows could cause this type of damage but again, death would come from brain swelling, or bleeding caused by the blunt trauma.
She also told me to take my Magic Pants off, and leave her the hell alone....
P.S. She said if I jad a good pic of her I could post it in the BBC for Iscariot.
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Originally Posted by OnceLost
Want to borrow one of mine?
Originally Posted by Oldman34
Et cetera. . . .
Got any that show her clitty? I prefer the ones where she is shaved if you still have them.
Originally Posted by Doctor X
BTW, she REALLY hates you now. I will tell her you care.
I would be more worried about what she will do to you with that oyster fork.
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