Tom, I am sure you are aware of the basic truth in all the "only 5" type of arguments, which is simply that some people have learned the movements only (or some of them) and some trained the actual applications, which is what matters.
Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
If you take a few seconds and google whichever -ing -un freehand set (which I'm sure you did many times, just like myself) and compare a few guys practising them, you can pretty much tell if they know anything about the supposed in-fight use of the techniques. Already the first few movements of the Siu Nim Tau will tell you if the practitioner is a sissy-slapping kind, if you know what to look for...
This one is for a long debate, preferrably mixed with some hands-on training, but I hope I made my point clear.
This is why you can never learn a technique from a book or video. You wouldn't even get the movement right, not to speak of applying it against a resisting opponent.
So in my eyes it's not about how many people learned the movements of the Muk Jang Chong set. It's about who knows how to utilize them in actual training/fight.
the wooden dummy is still a collosal waste of money though. just buy some chinese person off ebay for half the price and do some "live" training with them _b
Originally Posted by Southpaw
Saying "one of the few" never really bothered me. It's just when someone talks as if they have some sort of secret or lost technique where it starts to run afoul of my sniff test, and saying "only five" is one of those cases, in my opinion.
At this point, given the dearth of evidence of real APPLICATION, there is no fucking way in hell I can agree with you. Without evidence of RESULT, everything you think you see can just as easily be attributed to stylistic interpretation.
Originally Posted by Tonuzaba
So, you think you know the difference. That's fine. But to expect anyone to accept your word when you yourself have not established your credentials as to your abilities on a site full of skeptics is a little nuts. And, unlike Dr._Tzun_Tzu, I do not recall you pointing to a specific video you interpret as correct and try to explain why.
For 900 bucks you could probably get a private session with Ernesto Hoost. That's worth more than any WC dummy.
and you wouldn't have this big, ugly, useless wooden thing taking up a huge space in your house.
wooden dummies aren't totally useless. Cold Steel's training facility and I believe R1 gym contain wooden dummies, and the backbone of training at those locations is sparring. Having said that, without the proper instruction I don't think its too useful, and as mentioned they are expensive as hell. A while back I considered making a choy li fut wooden dummy (way cooler than wing chun dummy) but I never did. I second the notion of buying a heavy bag. Title makes the best ones that won't break like Everlast or Century.
thanks for the feedback guys....i was just curious b/c a friend of mine owns one and he seems to like it.....anything i can get to sharpen applications i would consider getting but yeah they are pretty damn expensive
You can build one yourself if you are handy enough.
I did it for under $100.
Originally Posted by Shuma-Gorath
Garbanzo Bean -"(he hasn't figured out that it's not a real person yet)"
so you guys think it's also stupid to use a heavy bag or hit a speed ball too?
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