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  1. Tonuzaba is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega
    Fraud is a legal word that accuses a person of committing a crime. So if you would like to go more into this feel free to give us a nice enlightened picture on your background for credibility purpose, why you feel this guy should be outed, and what tangible proof you have.
    Uhm, not that I'd give a pile of **** about either "the House" or Billy "Bad Ass" Burke, but you guys should check out the website before attacking the original poster and asking for his credentials... Burke states SO MANY things you would otherwise burn people for...
    Let me just cut&paste a selection of the best stuff from his website-intro:
    Billy started martial arts at the age of 5 in the small village of Horimuko (whore ree moo koe) Japan under the tutelage of Sensei Masunaga who had been directly trained by Gichin Funikoshi (one of the creators of modern day karate). Masunaga trained Billy in Shotokan Karate and took him to the Kodokan on weekends to study Judo. Billy was awarded his sho-dan(o) at the age of 8. He was one of the first junior black belts in JKA(Japan karate association) history. Masunaga also awarded him his sho-dan in Judo. Billy was a phenomenon in Tokyo Japan at that time, he was not full blooded asian and beat kids much older than him.
    Before leaving Japan for Hawaii, Billy trained for one year with Mas Oyama(learned classical weapons) and sensei “The Cat” Yamaguchi. ... At the age of 16 he earned his Sifu rank in shaolin kung Fu. ... Billy started tournament fighting at the age of 16. He was forced to fight in the mens division. By the age of 20 he had amassed 800 trophies in fighting and kata culminating it all by winning the United States Championship in Dallas Texas in 1978.
    In 1979 Billy Burke entered the army and became a special forces soldier, a Green Beret. ... Billy was also an active member of the PKA in it’s formative years and was a professional kickboxer for over 15 years. His cumilative fighting record is 110 wins with only one loss.(he hurt his leg) ... Due to speech difficulties, Billy had a late start in life and did not speak until the age of 11. He now speaks for a living on the radio.
    Well, I thought Superman exists only in the movies, what do you think? A guy who trained with all the classical Japanese Grandmasters, who got his black belt at the age of 8 while he couldn't even speak. BTW, he cannot write till this day, because he got wrong the names of Funakoshi as well as the Delta-founder Beckwith... Later he became a multiple champion who only lost a single fight - to his own leg. Besides being a green beret. And he is not making a living with martial arts, but with radio talking.
    I don't know. All this might be true. But then again I might be the next pope.
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    First I tried to email the website linked to in the first post but my email was kicked back telling me that the target does not exist. I'll try the other email addresses on the site and see if we can get the other side of the story.

    Is he the same Billy Burke as on the TRS website?

    http://www.trsdirect.com/talent.php?id=Burke

    Also from another website, he changes the claim from having taught Delta to having been a member:
    http://www.prayerwarriorthemovie.com...eamweaver.html
    BILLY BURKE ETO
    A Black Belt in 5 different Martial Arts and a former Green Beret and member of DELTA Force, Billy Burke teaches martial arts to a superstar list of celebrities, as well as being an A.O.T.(advanced operator training) instructor for the Navy SEALS. Billy Burke is a "Mutt Mix" as he likes to call himself. "I am 1/2 Japanese Hawaiian, 1/4 Irish and 1/4 Cherokee Indian." Billy just Starred as the lead "Good Guy" in "THE RAIN MAKERS". Billy plays Johnny Wingfoot a character very similar to Billy Jack. Described by casting director Melissa Skoff as the upcoming Charles Bronson type action hero of this new millenium.

    Looks like he was in the movie, so at least part of his story checks out easily. I will keep trying the various email addresses that come up and see if we can get his side of the story.
    Last edited by Askari; 11/27/2006 5:44pm at .
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    FERYK, you are right on the money:pancakebu
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    I have to agree with Tonuzaba here. If ANYONE came on this site claiming this we would pounce. Some of his credentials sound outrageous.

    However, HE didnt come here and claim this. This could be a smear campaign against Burke because "he dun wronged sumbuddy."
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    A shodan in any organized martial art in Japan at 8 yo is impossible. There are rules against it in the organizations that prevent such moronic behavior. And Shotokan was organized back then so there would be no way that it could be a legit Shodan from the org.
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    While in the navy you can volunteer for BUD's/Seals after basic training the army is a lot different. To volunteer for SF you need to be an E5 (seargent) or higher except in some cases they will take promotable E4's (corporals/specialists). The exception usually being for medical or communication personnel because of a shortage and the fact that medical and communication MOS's have such high cut off scores for promotion to E5.

    The fastest someone could try out for SF is two years and they would have to be exceptional.

    Delta is pretty much the same way if not more dificult being that Delta wants people that are career military. The Delta community is VERY secretive as the army still doesn't officially admit that they even exists.

    As far as Michael Echanis if memory serves correctly wasn't he killed in Nicaragua fighting for the Contras supposedly by some of his former co-operatives? I know a former Delta operative wrote a book about it (which really offended the "Delta community" that he spilled the beans) I can't remember the name of the guy that wrote the book. I know there is a SF musuem at Fort Bragg that has information on former members. That might be a good place to check to see if the guy is legit.
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    The part about not being able to speak until eleven is highly suspicious. If he couldn't speak Japanese how would he have communicated with his instructor. They gave a dan degree to an underage mute foreigner? Its unbelievable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smillard
    While in the navy you can volunteer for BUD's/Seals after basic training the army is a lot different. To volunteer for SF you need to be an E5 (seargent) or higher except in some cases they will take promotable E4's (corporals/specialists). The exception usually being for medical or communication personnel because of a shortage and the fact that medical and communication MOS's have such high cut off scores for promotion to E5.

    The fastest someone could try out for SF is two years and they would have to be exceptional.

    Delta is pretty much the same way if not more dificult being that Delta wants people that are career military. The Delta community is VERY secretive as the army still doesn't officially admit that they even exists.

    As far as Michael Echanis if memory serves correctly wasn't he killed in Nicaragua fighting for the Contras supposedly by some of his former co-operatives? I know a former Delta operative wrote a book about it (which really offended the "Delta community" that he spilled the beans) I can't remember the name of the guy that wrote the book. I know there is a SF musuem at Fort Bragg that has information on former members. That might be a good place to check to see if the guy is legit.
    Is the Delta guy named Eric Haney?
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    Turns out he was also an actor in a christian movie as well...

    http://www.prayerwarriorthemovie.com/about%20us.html

    I see a pattern forming here.

    why does it seem there is a link between christianity and bullshido artists????

    Must be the whole fascination with the supernatural.

    Maybe liars feel they are beyond reproach when they associate themselves with god??? maybe they are looking for forgiveness for their sins???
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    The claimed connection with Echanis continues to be very suspicious. Especially since bullshit boy John M. La Tourrette also claimed an association with Echanis AFTER his death. This is a very interesting link on Echanis. http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...hp/t-5976.html Here is just one quote from the post,

    Many now claim to be Mike old cohorts and students most are liars.
    Even more interesting is the 2nd post on the same page by Bob Duggan. Duggan is definitely for real, and has run ESI for years. If he says Echanis was not much of martial artist, I would be inclined to believe him.
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