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  1. Shinshoryu is offline

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    Who said they did? I think though, that the most powerful ones are the ones that take you to the ground, not the ones that happen there. In any case, they are still better than any punch of kick to take things out of someone's hand.
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    Against a kickboxer or wrestler on the ground...I think ANY submission should be pretty fucking effective. That's what I was getting at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracky McSlugHoot
    Against a kickboxer or wrestler on the ground...I think ANY submission should be pretty fucking effective. That's what I was getting at.
    Yes, submissions are effective on the ground. And your point was???
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    It's really, really easy to submit wrestlers and kickboxers...you're the one who put them forward as examples of people not to wristlock. I pointed out what a ludicrous assertion that was. What part of that are you having trouble comprehending?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolodesBois
    Who said they don't work in the ring ?

    They are incredibly difficult to place but a wrist locks works no matter where. :-)
    Especially with gloves on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracky McSlugHoot
    It's really, really easy to submit wrestlers and kickboxers...you're the one who put them forward as examples of people not to wristlock. I pointed out what a ludicrous assertion that was. What part of that are you having trouble comprehending?
    The part where you submit anyone with a wristlock.
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    I pity the fool who can't submit people with wristlocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracky McSlugHoot
    Not all wristlocks happen standing up. If you can immobilize the arm...
    Give this man the ten thousand dollars!

    Wristlocks "work" - I've had Hapkido people demonstrate some of their phat moves on me by holding out my hand for them and asking them to show me some moves - but, to quote the words of the hapkido guy who showed me "Yeah, once you have their hand like this you can make them fall over, but it's basically impossible to catch someone like this in a real fight."

    In other words, the various arts that teach you to wristlock people while standing and in the "free movement phase" IMO will only work as "sucker punches" on peoplenot expecting a fight yet, or people who are so woefully untrained that they grab someone's wrist/let their wrist be grabbed.

    Now when I WOULD worry about wristlocks in on the ground, if someone had a fair degree of control over one of my arms, like cracky said. Because IMO that's when they're likely to actually get ahold of my wrist in that just-so way which can cause me great discomfort and get the submission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicurus
    Give this man the ten thousand dollars!

    ... "Yeah, once you have their hand like this you can make them fall over, but it's basically impossible to catch someone like this in a real fight."...

    In other words, the various arts that teach you to wristlock people while standing and in the "free movement phase" IMO will only work as "sucker punches"...
    In other words, wristlocks are not very good against boxing (or kicking). Where have I heard this before???

    Quote Originally Posted by Epicurus
    Now when I WOULD worry about wristlocks in on the ground, if someone had a fair degree of control over one of my arms, like cracky said. Because IMO that's when they're likely to actually get a hold of my wrist in that just-so way which can cause me great discomfort and get the submission.
    And yet most people that practice wristlocks do them standing, while most people that grapple don't do wristlocks. SOMEONE'S GOTTA STOP THIS MADNESS!!!
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     Style: Chinese Boxing

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    You know I've wondered that myself, who ever said wristlocks don't work. They're subtle and don't do all the Steven Seagal movie stuff but they do work to a degree. I use them all the time.
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