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  1. MrMcFu is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I started Shooto about three months ago and am totally hooked. As a side note, I also do BJJ at the same school. Some of this will be painfully obvious for some of you, but for those of you who don't know Shooto, maybe you can get something about of it.

    1. My TKD roundhouses are worthless. In WTF TKD, I was taught to make contanct with the top of the foot, and to kick and hit a target, rather than through it. These kind of kicks just don't do the damage that the MT style kicks we practice do. The impulse to turn over the hips fully into the kick and strike with the shin is missing in TKD. On a positive TKD note, I do get off the occasional back kick because it is so quick and suprises the other guys(and girls!). My side kick usuage is severly limited because of the bad position it can put you in.

    2. TKD gave me bad habits with my hands. I can't box nearly as well as I thought I could, and sometimes I even tense up when someone is too close, despite my WT training. As a result, I took, and still take punishment in close and I have problems putting together effective kick/punch combinations.

    3. The WT Chi-Gerk and Yip-Gerk(sp) are actually quite good for deflecting kicks. I like them better than the MT leg block movement, but the WT hand stuff doesn't cut it like the elbow to the knee MT style. Also, the counter kick doesn't hold up because of the hard impact of a good roundhouse.

    4. If you just know BJJ, you could very well be paying for a new grill. My first day in Shooto, a strong Judo-trained guy threw me, but I got him in my guard. He was a big ass dude, and punched me in the face quite easily while I was reaching for his shirt. This was my initial reaction, through doing BJJ, instead of covering up. After that black eye, I cover up better in the guard. Pain is such a wonderful teacher.
  2. mikus is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/28/2003 6:13pm


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    I was under the impression that shooto didn't allow striking on the ground. Or is that just the shooto tournament rules?

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    Posted On:
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    "In WTF TKD, I was taught to make contanct with the top of the foot, and to kick and hit a target, rather than through it. "

    something got lost in the translation from history to today's sport TKD

    how come you didn't "realise" the the WTF TKD you were learning (supposedly you sparred) methods didn't work?



    "3. The WT Chi-Gerk and Yip-Gerk(sp) are actually quite good for deflecting kicks. I like them better than the MT leg block movement, but the WT hand stuff doesn't cut it like the elbow to the knee MT style. Also, the counter kick doesn't hold up because of the hard impact of a good roundhouse."
    no experiance with WT ( :) )
    but in my discussion with various WC people, they say get the hell out of the way with the triangle stepping
    or stomp kick the groin

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    Posted On:
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    The TKD roundhouse isn't bad for headshots.
  5. Choke is offline

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    "how come you didn't "realise" the the WTF TKD you were learning (supposedly you sparred) methods didn't work?"

    I always initially think WTF TKD is "what the ****" tkd
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    Same here.

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  7. Blad3 is offline

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    "I started Shooto about three months ago and am totally hooked." good to hear.

    mikus shooto allowes strikes on the ground. Rumina Sato vs Takanori Gomi.

    1. My TKD roundhouses are worthless. In WTF TKD, I was taught to make contanct with the top of the foot, and to kick and hit a target, rather than through it. These kind of kicks just don't do the damage that the MT style kicks we practice do. The impulse to turn over the hips fully into the kick and strike with the shin is missing in TKD.
    Correct. Thank you for this post <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

    2. TKD gave me bad habits with my hands. I can't box nearly as well as I thought I could, and sometimes I even tense up when someone is too close, despite my WT training. As a result, I took, and still take punishment in close and I have problems putting together effective kick/punch combinations.
    MrmcFu I think I love you. So correct. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

    3. The WT Chi-Gerk and Yip-Gerk(sp) are actually quite good for deflecting kicks. I like them better than the MT leg block movement, but the WT hand stuff doesn't cut it like the elbow to the knee MT style. Also, the counter kick doesn't hold up because of the hard impact of a good roundhouse.
    OK, I'm not sure what that is, but if you block with your hands you;re lowering your guard <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

    . If you just know BJJ, you could very well be paying for a new grill. My first day in Shooto, a strong Judo-trained guy threw me, but I got him in my guard. He was a big ass dude, and punched me in the face quite easily while I was reaching for his shirt. This was my initial reaction, through doing BJJ, instead of covering up. After that black eye, I cover up better in the guard. Pain is such a wonderful teacher.
    Yepp, you've got to cover up. But that fact that he was bigger was all the advantage he needed, all the disadvantage you needed. Being on your back isn't the prefered BJJ position IMO (the top would be.) If you pulled him into a submisison though...Remeber also that he knows about submissions, more than you know about punches on the ground...possibly?

    When I went from MMA to BJJ, I found that covering up got me submitted. You have still got to be very careful of submissions AND punches. But remember the guy was bigger than you...that's physics..



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    Edited by - Blade Windu on July 28 2003 23:35:03
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

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    Posted On:
    7/28/2003 11:36pm

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    Chi gerk and yip gerk are both leg techniques (gerk means leg).

    Some wing chun schools do it, others don't.
    Most of the time it's not actually that they don't have it, they just don't stick a name to it.
  9. Blad3 is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/28/2003 11:40pm

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    ok thanks. Like sticky legs then..? I'll try to find out how to do it :)

    "If you don't know how to Grapple/Wrestle you don't know how to fight, that's the prerequisite to fighting" David Tank Abbott
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

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  10. MrMcFu is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/29/2003 12:13am

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    PizDof,
    As for TKD, I was too busy thinking I was a badass BB. My thinking was that if someone was to close, I would just kick them in the head. When you don't know **** about MA, and an instructor gives this stuff to you, sometimes you get taken in. me <- 0wned.

    Blade,
    With Chi Gerk and Bong Gerk or Yip Gerk (I forget what you call it - the only difference is the side that you do it), you keep your hands up in the WT stance, Mon Sau and Woo Sau. That is, one hand back almost like the Virgin marry praying, and the other hand sticking almost straight out. Both are along the center line. Instead of just blocking, you roll your leg outward, which I find throws my opponents a bit off balance. However, I do think technique, with the inclusion of the MT elbow to knee provides better blocking.

    The Judo guy only knew a few submissions, and I can beat him (sometimes) when we start from the knees. But usually his throws are so good we usually end up in the side mount when we start from the feet, with him on top. From there he is too big for me to move and easily submits me.

    Mikus,
    The Shooto we do allows ground strikes. Maybe you are thinking of whatever rules Bas Rooten and Shamrock fought under. I think there were some kind of striking restrictions.
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