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  1. ar549 is offline
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    Banned for failing to live up to the standards he expected of others and wasting more time on calling out forum military members' credentials than he spent in his own military career.

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    W. Hock Hochheim





    Recently I mentioned Hocks name on another thread and Ronin Pimp tried to place the man in the Elmore society.
    I was wondering what others knew of him and whether you had ever recieved training from him along with some of the results?

    I have a great respect for the man and what he has done as far as training.
    He has been around a very long time and is very highly respected in the Military and LEO communities.


    http://www.hockscqc.com/shop/product243.html


    http://www.hockscqc.com/blogs/11-06/index.htm


    http://www.hockscqc.com/index.htm






    Originally Posted by RoninPimp

    -Hock hasn't led the way for anything. He is liked by many people at Pax though.


    -Hock's online clips of his material look like ****. He seems like a "jackoff-of-all-trades, master-of-none".

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     Style: FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO

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    Never seen a video of him, so can't comment. Do you have a link? I tried a quick look through his sites, and the videos are down. Also tried a quick youtube search with no luck.

    I wouldn't put a lot of weight into military and LEO's opinions of a system. The military spends very little time doing empty hand training, and many law enforcement agencies hand to hand is very rudimentary and often time just plain bad. (I used to work as a LEO.)

    So with that being said, I'll reserve comment until I've seen video.
  3. Chili Pepper is online now
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     Style: Siling Labuyo Arnis

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    Quote Originally Posted by ar549
    Recently I mentioned Hocks name on another thread and Ronin Pimp tried to place the man in the Elmore society.
    I was wondering what others knew of him and whether you had ever recieved training from him along with some of the results?
    I have one of his tapes (Scientific Arnis IIRC), which I liked - lotsa good info/drills.

    [full disclosure: the following info may now be out of date as my involvement was from a few years ago] I am not so enamoured with his Fighting Congress stuff. He has broken it up into teeny tiny increments much like getting stripes on one's belt, and much for the same purpose - to generate more income. As well, even though he draws extremely heavily on the FMA, he tries to obscure that link as much as possible.

    The information is okay, but no great shakes.
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    http://www.cqcmagazine.com/2005-fall...cape/index.htm

    He sucks on the ground for starters.
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    Posted On:
    11/22/2006 12:20pm


     Style: FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO

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    Ughhhh... That was pretty bad. Why the hell does the guy dive off of him when he does the non-existent bridge? That is just is not a good technique. He seems like quite the talker, but poorly executes a bad technique in this example.
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    Posted On:
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    Hairholds, which were once a staple of LE Defensive Tactics, have pretty much been (or are being) abandoned. This is for the simple reason that they are unreliable due to a variety of factors including the obvious (many people nowadays have short hair or shaved heads). Teaching a hairhold as a defense from being g&p'd while mounted is patently ridiculous.
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    Posted On:
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    Hey, he's got a whole "module" on kicking the groin!
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    Posted On:
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    On escaping the mount:

    Quote Originally Posted by W. Hock Hocheim
    My next choice is an eye attack. You do not have to jam your thumbs completely into his eyes as if to permantly blink him, unless this is a lethal force encounter of the worst degree. Usually, even a semi-forceful raking and pushing against the eyes causes the opponent to spring back.
    "Spring back" in this case literally means "to posture up". He may as well hold a seminar on the best way to create the space necessary to roll to your belly
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    Does anyone have clips of his stick material?
  10. Permalost is online now
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    Posted On:
    11/23/2006 1:53am

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    http://alliancemartialarts.com/congress2.html
    If that's the kind of stuff he teaches against knives, I don't see why everyone thinks he's so great. I mean, I've seen worse but thats some pretty generic stuff. Also the pump handle arm bar to break the elbow is sketchy at best.
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