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  1. black mariah is offline

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    11/19/2006 8:29pm


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    Triangle from yoko shiho gatame?

    The other day on the judo forum someone mentioned that he "counters" yoko shiho gatame with a triangle choke. If you're not familiar with the pin, check this page out: http://www.judo-for-all.com/Theory/T...iho-Gatame.htm

    Since he hasn't bothered to explain how he does it (I asked since I get caught in yoko shiho quite a bit) I figured I'd ask over here.

    So.... umm... how the **** would you manage that?
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    This is actually the original (judo) version of the triangle. If someone is holding you in side control and sticks their hand between your legs, you can pull it toward you while shoving their head down toward your feet. This should make enough room for you to swing your inside leg up and over their head and then clamp down a triangle with the other leg. The angle is such that the choke will be fairly tight if you can actually get it together.

    This position in the picture is not really conducive to getting this one; the girl's head is too high on the guy's body and she's got his neck underhooked. He would have to get rid of the underhook and then move himself up (or move her down) to start setting the choke up.

    Edit: It would be far easier in the second picture. Especially since the person holding down side control appears to be a lifeless corpse.
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    Posted On:
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    Quite.

    It's a basic move that not nearly enough people are aware of.

    I used to think that reverse triangle attempts were really only good for other people to give me cauliflower ears with, but I have to say that I've been making them work for me lately -- including reverse mounted triangles -- and they really are pretty entertaining.
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    as a former high school wrestler with next to no knowledge of judo... i gotta ask

    why the **** would you ever pin someone like that? why don't you just cradle the bottom person?
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    When I saw the picture I was thinking about posturing up and guard replacement on the right side. Didn't even think about reverse. :dontknow:
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    Didn't BJ Penn almost get one of these on Matt Hughes in their last UFC fight?
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    I pity the fool who does not have the reverse triangle in his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinhthekid
    as a former high school wrestler with next to no knowledge of judo... i gotta ask

    why the **** would you ever pin someone like that? why don't you just cradle the bottom person?
    When you mean 'cradle', you mean an inside cradle (right arm hooking opponent's left leg, or left arm/right leg), right?

    I think the main reason is the gi. The gi gives leverage. Notice in the pictures that the attacker not only hooks the leg with her arm, but actively grips the gi. You could do the same (I think with the same side leg, but the hold would not be as secured.) Also (I think) it has to do to prevent the opponent from rolling into a turtle.
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    This, right?

    http://suprfile.com/get.php?id=emx4kl

    There's a decent thread on similar topics here: http://judoforum.com/index.php?showt...o,and,triangle
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    That's the one. Although I like to pull the arm and underhook the leg.
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