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    The clinch still makes the strikes more realistic. You have to learn to strike while being grabbed onto and off balanced. Sure it shouldnt be an infinite time but longer, maybe a minute. Maybe, in order to promote a true striking art, clinches should be allowed and throws would give you point( or sweeps). However maybe you could get points for breaking the clinch and striking again?

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    just break it up if theres no action in the clinch, imo. easiest solution.

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    FWAT, what's the point in trying to fix something that's so totally fucked? Make your own tourney if you want full contact.

    As for the clinch issue, clinching in a striking contest=fucking boring and stupid, IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex
    just break it up if theres no action in the clinch, imo. easiest solution.
    Then you would need referees that know about clinch work. It's like asking for Judo referees who know about groundwork.

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    not really. its pretty obvious if nothing is happening in a clinch because.... nothing is happening.

    i might be biased because i like the clinch game but not having it in almost nullifies the use of knees except for the lucky shot flying knees etc.

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    I just hate it when there's over/underhooking going on in a striking match, slapping do-nothing knees suck.

    Thai clinching, knees-head is cool though, and if it isn't allowed, the rules suck.

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    well what i saw in his video was all straight knees with an attempt at a thai style clinch. i agree about the shitty slap knees people need to save that for sparring.

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    Allow sweeps and throws with a time limit on clinching without throwing or hitting.

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    I've fought a lot of Knockdown matches. If you want to clinch fight Muay Thai. Being "Realistic" is not really the point. Its a different art than Muay Thai.

    Either no clinch or very short grips. Otherwise it will always get boring with people hanging on each other. Gis are too easy to grip.

    These are the Shidokan rules which I obviously favor. They are very strict about grip time limits. You must be active.
    Kumite/Stand Up Fighting Rules

    2. NO punches or hand techniques are allowed to make contact to the facial, head or neck area.
    1. NO submission techniques, choking techniques or joint manipulations are allowed.
    2. Fighters are required to wear traditional Karate Gi, mouthpiece and groin protection. Hand and wrist taping must be approved by tournament official. Anklets can be worn.
    3. Greco-Roman/Judo throws/single and double leg take downs are allowed. Any take down that results in a fighter being physically stunned, will initiate a standing (8) count. If the fighter is unable to rise or unconscious as a result of said take down, the standing fighter will be awarded victory via TKO.
    4. Illegal targets: No strikes (hand, foot, elbow, or knee) are allowed to the groin, kidneys, front of neck, entire spinal chord, all joints. No foot stomps are allowed.
    5. A Standing 8 Count, will be initiated when a fighter receives a legal "stunning blow". Herein defined as any legal technique that results fighters unable to adequately protect themselves.
    6. A total of Three Standing 8 Counts, in the same round or during the entire fight will result in a TKO.

    Full rules: http://shidokan.com/rules.htm

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    shidokan...the real kyokushin

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