11/19/2006 6:24pm, #11
Go to the range and do some shooting with a variety of handguns. Preferably try and shoot the guns you are interested in buying, so you can get a feel for them and see if they are as good in your hand as on paper. If you don't have buddies that will take you and let you shoot their guns, most ranges also rent guns rather cheaply, especially if you buy their ammo.
FWIW, I've shot both an HK 9mm, full size and a Sig p226 (also 9mm full size) and far, far prefer the Sig. I also have a Taurus P89 (9mm full size) and though it wouldn't make a good carry gun (for a variety of reasons), it is a great gun for fun and learning, and is fine as an "in home" defensive handgun.
And, IMO, forget an "assault rifle" for any kind of home defense. Pick yourself up a shortie/police/home defender pump action 12 gauge. It's all you need, for a fraction of the price.
11/19/2006 6:43pm, #12Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
So since everyone and their mother seems to own a weapon from the AR-10/15/M4rgery series, how clean do they fire compared to the M-16A2/4? Because A2s and A4s are dirty as ****. While I don't MIND taking them apart and cleaning them after firing 3+ rounds, I'd prefer something that was a little bit cleaner-firing. That was what originally attracted me to H&K, as they seem to have some new mechanisms that make for much less carbon residue. Too bad the only thing I think I'm going to be able to get my hands on (without an act of god) is the SL8 aka Nintendo Super Scope.
Too bad the FN Scar probably won't ever come out in a civilian model."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
11/19/2006 6:48pm, #13Originally Posted by Matt W.
A) I live on base and can't have a personal weapon in the barracks.
B.) I live on an Army base.
The rifle is just because I enjoy shooting paper targets. I prefer shooting the 7.62 NATO (or .308 winchester) round over 5.56, and I guess if I ever had to shoot something with it, I'd really prefer to be hitting whatever "it" was with something a little bigger than 5.56. I'm comfortable with the M-16 and would like something like it, hence the decision to go with an assault rifle or carbine.
Shotguns are okay, but I don't enjoy shooting them all that much."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
11/19/2006 7:55pm, #14
But, hey, my handgun advice was good, right? Right???
11/19/2006 7:58pm, #15Originally Posted by Matt W."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
11/19/2006 8:32pm, #16
Yeah, I was prodding at ar549. :)
I actually don't have an AR pattern. It's interesting; Pat Rogers has had a couple of articles in the last couple of issues of SWAT discussing cleaning the AR platform and keeping it running. A great deal of it was devoted to his belief that military and LEO armorers have caused a lot of trouble by doing "white glove inspections" and demanding excessive cleaning.
His biggest issues seemed to be with armorers demanding that carbon buildup be cleaned completely off the bolt tail, where it apparently does no damage. There was more than that, but I don't have it in front of me.
11/19/2006 9:04pm, #17Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
That's actually an article I'd be interested in getting my hands on. Let me know if you happen to dig up a copy of it."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
11/20/2006 1:47am, #18
If you want old school gear you cannot go wrong with Wilson Combat, They have been around a very long time and can get anything done that you could dream up. I still like 1911s when done correctly but I dont have access to high qaulity gunsmiths in my AO so I try and stick with the new stuff on location. My first suggestion was go for Sig products, They are the top of the line in off the shelf stuff that needs no improvements, tranlated to "you wont have to spend extra money to make it function!"
11/20/2006 11:40am, #19
ar549 sure is good at copying and pasting stuff from google searches! He's a quality poster.
11/20/2006 12:31pm, #20
If you want reliability and 7.62 power, then you can't really beat an M14 type rifle. LRB Arms makes a hammer forged receiver and uses mostly USGI parts. If you want modularity, you can always add a SAGE Industries stock or a Knights Armaments style handguard with rails (Fulton Armory sells one). McMillan also offers a folding stock with rails.
My match tuned M1A