there was a time when I thought this way, then I learned what a real fight actually consisted of.
Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
I guess there's also the rope-a-dope strategy and let the other person hit you with fist until they get tired and then hit them.
Originally Posted by Kidspatula
I would rather watch a good exchange of submission holds any day.
Diego VS Karo or Diaz vs Diego or Herman Vs Groves were all great fights with amazing submission attempts, counters and sweeps.
Fan - Tastic!!!!
I would watch more boxing if the fights were 5 rounds maximum. Longer matches are boring, and I say the same of most vale tudo fights that go past 20 minutes.
People who say boxing has no strategy have never seen a good counter puncher.
Boxing has strategy but it's all the same. There's only 2 things a boxer can do.
Not get hit and hit with punches. yes with in that there is variety but MMA has that, plus kicks, take downs, ground and pound, and 2 types of submisisons - chockes or locks.
A lot more tools opens up a lot more strategic options.
I can't watch boxing now with out thinking "there's a good place for a shoot or a kick"
I have to agree with this, actually. I don't have the attention span to wanna watch a single match for 30-45 minutes.
Originally Posted by Shuma-Gorath
On Goju's point, I simply do not think the "variety" of MMA makes it any more entertaining to watch. I do like watching Cro Cop pick people apart and smash them up in MMA, but not particularly much more than I did when he was doing the same thing with 10oz gloves. Maybe if I knew more about grappling I'd find MMA more interesting, but all the stalling and stalemating that goes on in MMA just makes it a snorefest to me.
I prefer watching a well executed submission to a knock out, but it all really comes down to personal choice. Because I do grappling I find I can watch it and enjoy the skill involved in pulling of a nice sub.
Originally Posted by Kidspatula
Having said that I can totaly see why people would not enjoy watching it, especially between 2 well matched grapplers who can cancel each other out.
My favorite MMA match up is excellent striker vs excellent grappler with both having good skills in the other area like Hominick Vs Yves. That way it's a battle of who to see who will impose their will on the other.
you ask people who their favourite MMA fighter is and i would bet money that the majority of people will say something like cro cop, Lidell, silva, etc. why? because they are mostly stand up fighters and are inherently a fuckload more interesting to watch than some snore machine like ortiz or (insert gracie here). it isnt a case of knowing whats going on, i know enough to understand whats going on but this does not make it exciting, in the same way that i know whats happening in a muay thai clinch but it isnt the most exciting part of the style for me.
agree about the length though. 12 rounds is a long time and if neither fighter can KO the other than the last 3-5 rounds are almost always fucking boring no matter who is fighting.
I just watched a Antonio Margarito fight from 2005, and it was amazing. It's just things you cannot see in a MMA match. He timed and noted the distance on all of his opponent's punches. In the fourth round, he unleashed on his opponent, to the tune of scoring 130+ punches connected while his opponent was only hitting 40 - 50 punches a round. The fight got stopped because Antonio's punches were ripping off the guy's ear.
I haven't watched "The Contender", but everyone tells me the fights are more interesting because they keep the rounds down.
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