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    Which Japanese MMA has the most practitioners

    Recently, i discovered that a number of Japanese martial art practitioners (mostly Japanese Knockdown Karate and Judo practitioners) have developed MMA styles that are very "Japanese" in nature.

    I figured that what these guys have created must have appeal to a percentage of the MMA community. Some that have come from Japanese styles originally, such as Judo or Karate / or both.
    Who want to learn / test out their skills in a more real situation
    Some guys who also may be attracted to the effectiveness and reality of MMA, but who are more philosophical and spiritual in nature who may not like the modern attitude that is seen with some of the more aggressive MMA people.

    Nonetheless, when I discovered one of the first Japanese Judo / Karate combo's, I was quiet interested.
    However, the more I look, the more other styles I find.

    The first style I found was Kudo Daido Juku. Then the other day I also discovered Nippon Kempo, which looked similar. After reading one of the bullshido boards, I just found another style that I wasn't aware of called Enshin, which again looks similar to these both.

    I was wondering if any one who is experienced in these styles could let me know of any other Japanese styles that also are similar in nature, in that they combine Karate striking with Judo throws and sweeps (and maybe even ne-waza). And also give me an idea as to which is the most popular (so I know which one has the best competitions).
    I also wonder what the differences are between safety equipment. I.E. which styles uses what safety kit.

    I was also wondering as to whether there are any instructional books / dvd's on these martial arts. As I have not been able to find any online.

    I also understand that there are loads of other styles that are not Japanese that are again also similar, such as SanShou and Combat Sambo etc.

    Grateful for any help.
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    Justin

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    Someone recently posted some vids of some black and red dressed fighters that looked like a combination of chi sao, karate chops, and pro wrestling, I forget what it was called.

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    Shoot wrestling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostdzog View Post
    Recently, i discovered that a number of Japanese martial art practitioners (mostly Japanese Knockdown Karate and Judo practitioners) have developed MMA styles that are very "Japanese" in nature.

    Justin
    I would caution you against quoting something as being very 'Japanese' in nature.

    What defines it as being more Japanese? After all, judo (one of your examples) is a sport practiced by literal millions worldwide, with most schools (though not all) practicing in such a way that it can't really be identified as uniquely Japanese.

    And as for Kyokushin... while it can still be argued that it is an essentially Japanese style, it is also worth mentioning (in regard to that context) that the founder of Kyokushin wasn't Japanese himself, but Korean. Moreover, while the founder and head of Enshin (Joko Ninomiya) is certainly Japanese, he lives in the United States of America, and in-fact founded Enshin after having moved away from Japan.

    I'm not saying you're wrong to think of them in that way, but I mostly want to point out that you're potentially oversimplifying these arts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    Someone recently posted some vids of some black and red dressed fighters that looked like a combination of chi sao, karate chops, and pro wrestling, I forget what it was called.
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=125320

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    ^that's the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanner Hunt View Post
    I would caution you against quoting something as being very 'Japanese' in nature.

    What defines it as being more Japanese? After all, judo (one of your examples) is a sport practiced by literal millions worldwide, with most schools (though not all) practicing in such a way that it can't really be identified as uniquely Japanese.

    And as for Kyokushin... while it can still be argued that it is an essentially Japanese style, it is also worth mentioning (in regard to that context) that the founder of Kyokushin wasn't Japanese himself, but Korean. Moreover, while the founder and head of Enshin (Joko Ninomiya) is certainly Japanese, he lives in the United States of America, and in-fact founded Enshin after having moved away from Japan.

    I'm not saying you're wrong to think of them in that way, but I mostly want to point out that you're potentially oversimplifying these arts.
    Hi Mate,
    thanks for the advice. and sure. I understand what you are saying.
    I knew that vague description would cause problems.

    BTW didn't mean to cause offense with this term, just wanted to find a word to use that described styles that firstly focussed using Japanese styles as their base, but also Japanese philosophy, tradition, etiquette and spirituality as their basis.

    I understand what you are saying regarding the globalization of Judo, thus making Judo being a style that may be regarded as Global now.
    Although, some may argue, especially some who hold high ranks in the hierarchy of Judo (such as the top guys from IJF) that Judo is still quintessentially Japanese.
    I would also argue that because Mas Oyama spent most of his life living and training in Japan, and taught by the Japanese, before he refined his technique to create kyokushin, that his style is still Japanese. Although I guess there would be an argument to say that if you took this to heart, then you could trace Mas Oyama's lineage to the founders of Naha-Te, living in Okinawa during the revolt against the Japanese Satsuma clan oppression of Okinawa. And that's with out going into too much detail on the areas that founders of Naha te came from.

    No mean to offend and not arguing which is best in terms of effectiveness. My point was that some people are more attracted to ways of training than others.
    More modern scientific people may be more attracted to purely scientific training gyms, while others who like eastern philosophy may be more attracted to a style that is more in line with how they see things or like to train.

    that's all I meant really. no offence meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    Someone recently posted some vids of some black and red dressed fighters that looked like a combination of chi sao, karate chops, and pro wrestling, I forget what it was called.
    think that was probably san shou / sanda

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostdzog View Post
    Hi Mate,
    thanks for the advice. and sure. I understand what you are saying.
    I knew that vague description would cause problems.

    BTW didn't mean to cause offense with this term, just wanted to find a word to use that described styles that firstly focussed using Japanese styles as their base, but also Japanese philosophy, tradition, etiquette and spirituality as their basis.

    I understand what you are saying regarding the globalization of Judo, thus making Judo being a style that may be regarded as Global now.
    Although, some may argue, especially some who hold high ranks in the hierarchy of Judo (such as the top guys from IJF) that Judo is still quintessentially Japanese.
    I would also argue that because Mas Oyama spent most of his life living and training in Japan, and taught by the Japanese, before he refined his technique to create kyokushin, that his style is still Japanese. Although I guess there would be an argument to say that if you took this to heart, then you could trace Mas Oyama's lineage to the founders of Naha-Te, living in Okinawa during the revolt against the Japanese Satsuma clan oppression of Okinawa. And that's with out going into too much detail on the areas that founders of Naha te came from.

    No mean to offend and not arguing which is best in terms of effectiveness. My point was that some people are more attracted to ways of training than others.
    More modern scientific people may be more attracted to purely scientific training gyms, while others who like eastern philosophy may be more attracted to a style that is more in line with how they see things or like to train.

    that's all I meant really. no offence meant.

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    Oh no, I didn't mean to sound like I was offended. I'm not!

    My main point was, there are more to Japanese arts than their 'Japanese-ness'. I get from subsequent posts that you more or less understand that, so I apologize if I sounded strong or forceful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostdzog View Post
    but also Japanese philosophy, tradition, etiquette and spirituality as their basis.
    So basically you are not really interested in Self Defense your interested in a culture.
    It would have been much easier if you just said you where a Weeaboo.
    Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
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