Is Bart Vale's Shootfighting BS?

**hoodedmonk** · Posted On: 11/07/2006 7:59pm

Hope this helps! I got this info from clyde gentrys book no holds barred. according to him Bart Vale defeated Mike Bitonio in the world combat championship. Lost a fight with Murakami Kazunari in extreme fighting 3 and did take part in some worked matches over in japan. Again I am just relaying what I read. Good book though! worth reading.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 11/07/2006 8:23pm

This site would not exist if not for Shootfighting.

If you have the choice, I'd do BJJ, college wrestling, boxing, and muay thai.

If you don't have the time/money for ALL of those things. I'd do the Shootfighting. It's MMA.

On the other hand, Bart Vale is a tool. He cancelled seminars repeatedly when I was doing Shootfighting and makes some goofy pro-wrestling related claims. But he DOES have real knowledge of fighting and did train with some excellent fighters in Japan.

**hoodedmonk** · Posted On: 11/07/2006 8:37pm

And he did have the balls to step up and fight.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 11/07/2006 9:03pm

One thing to keep in mind with Shootfighting is, you will not be great at any one thing. Don't think you will be.

**Cough/Cool** · Posted On: 11/07/2006 9:16pm

Originally Posted by ojgsxr6

OK I just called the head school in FL, it's seems that the video course is only the beginning. After you complete the course you're put on a list to attend the instructor camp, after the instructor camp you still have more other steps to complete to become an ISFA icertified instructor. So even if you buy the DVDs and complete the Instuctor course you not a certified instructor.

but it can still be BS. I know you mentioned Serra, go there unless your schedule does not permit it at all. You are missing the forest for the trees, your points (no MMA, takedowns) will be addressed there. You see, you might not see them doing MMA because in most clubs most people don't want to do it; if you do, I am certain they will help you out. There is no way anyone from a vale school could take a serra student, no way. totally outclassed.

**hoodedmonk** · Posted On: 11/07/2006 9:31pm

I agree if given the choice I would choose the serra school. however the vale school is better then not training at all.

**BRUCE PEE** · Posted On: 11/07/2006 9:38pm

o it sounds like u need to do knitting class there are a few around u there somewhere

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 11/07/2006 9:53pm

I've met a couple of Vale's students in Florida. By meeting I mean run into him at BJJ classes. They all loved the classes and did all kind of **** (according to them), but they complained that groundfighting wasn't as detailed as in BJJ - they did have a lot of stamina, so I would gather the conditioning they got from shootfighting was excellent.

From there I can assume Vale is not bullshido, and I don't think he is mcdojo. You will not get excellent at any of the fighting ranges, but it could pave the road to get there. And if you like it and are aware of what you get or what you don't get out of it, that's all that matters.

Take that with a little bit of salt.