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**FlyingSkull** · Posted On: 11/04/2006 4:38pm

Hello All!

Two questions...

1) Does anyone happen to know of any Wing Chun instructors near Palm Springs, CA? I've looked and cannot find any. I'm hoping that there is a private instructor that someone knows about.

2) Is Wing Chun a good style for practical self-defense? Without getting into a style vs. style debate... is there a style that is especially well suited for practical street defense?

Thank you!
Eric

**ViciousFlamingo** · Posted On: 11/04/2006 4:44pm

Wing chun sucks. Do searches on it. There've been tons and tons of threads dedicated to how much wing chun sucks. (This also applies to wing tsun, wing tzun, ving tsun, etc.)

I did wing chun for two years before quitting. RunningDog and others have had similiar experiences. It sucks.

**mdls4** · Posted On: 11/04/2006 4:44pm

Originally Posted by FlyingSkull

Hello All!

Two questions...

1) Does anyone happen to know of any Wing Chun instructors near Palm Springs, CA? I've looked and cannot find any. I'm hoping that there is a private instructor that someone knows about.

2) Is Wing Chun a good style for practical self-defense? Without getting into a style vs. style debate... is there a style that is especially well suited for practical street defense?

Thank you!
Eric

Having seen some of the responses on this site, specifically regarding wing chun, I hope to answer your questions before anyone else to prevent the same generalised onslaught of wing chun.

1. Unfortunately I don't even live in the USA, let alone Palm springs - however I would suggest finding anyone you can with a great depth of Martial Arts experience and real life street experience (if possible).

2. Depending on where you go, of course it is a practical style for self-defence. And so are many other systems/styles. It all depends on the quality and origin of what is being taught. By that I mean, the principles of any given system with real life experience of the person teaching the material.

Hopefully that is of some help, without any biased comments. My best advice is to find who you can, talk with them in person, and try to gauge an idea of how much real life experience they have - if that is what you want to get out of your training.

**ViciousFlamingo** · Posted On: 11/04/2006 4:47pm

Please, do some searches, inform yourself. If you try wing chun you will end up regretting it, sooner or later.

Also, sure, anything can work if trained alive. As a rule, wing chun is not.

Take up kickboxing, muay thai, boxing, or something that has been proven to be effective. Wing chun as a rule sucks.

**Tonuzaba** · Posted On: 11/04/2006 4:47pm

Flying skull, welcome to Bullshido.
You chose the worst possible place on the Internet to ask about a wing chun school...
Most people's views are crystalized in ViciousFlamingo's reply.
And the instructors I know are good are pretty far from California.
Read around here, try to look for facts though and not hate-speech...

Tonuzaba

**RunningDog** · Posted On: 11/04/2006 4:58pm

Originally Posted by ViciousFlamingo

Wing chun sucks. Do searches on it. There've been tons and tons of threads dedicated to how much wing chun sucks. (This also applies to wing tsun, wing tzun, ving tsun, etc.)

I did wing chun for two years before quitting. RunningDog and others have had similiar experiences. It sucks.

Yeah, it was 8.5 years for me before the bubble that was my delusions finally burst. I'm glad it did, just wish it had happened sooner.

Like the above posters recommend, spend some time reading around and you'll find out which martial arts are proven to be effective. In particular, read the articles on Aliveness (homepage), then read them again.
Stick around though, it would be awesome if you were to reconsider your choice because of the information you found here.

**FlyingSkull** · Posted On: 11/09/2006 2:47am

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Others, simply saying, "WC SUCKS AS A RULE" are not helpful. I'm willing to listen, but more than simply slamming a style would be more beneficial. I will, however, check the older threads on the topic.

Again, thank you!

**PaperTiger** · Posted On: 11/09/2006 4:05am

Palm Springs what a beautiful place you are lucky to live there

**Uechidude** · Posted On: 11/09/2006 8:21am

I....did WC for a little bit....honestly..it is not good for any type of self defense....do yourself a HUGE favor...as you are being moved in a positive direction "by people that have done WC, they are only trying to help you" try, Muay Thai...boxing....MMA...BJJ....Uechi Ryu...something....I would even recommend TKD.....long before I would recommend WC...btw "Ex TKDer" as well..So I hope this helps ...good luck choose wisely, and stay with it....
Welcome to BullShido....

**Tom Kagan** · Posted On: 11/09/2006 12:08pm

Originally Posted by FlyingSkull

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Others, simply saying, "WC SUCKS AS A RULE" are not helpful. I'm willing to listen, but more than simply slamming a style would be more beneficial. I will, however, check the older threads on the topic.

Again, thank you!

As a general rule, fat people use more soap.

There is a big difference between style bashing and expressing an opinion in a brusque manner.

How is the general rule you've quickly deduced from the bullshido consensus regarding the 'nun-who-must-not-be-named' style not helpful? Is it because you think you don't have to do your homework and actually read voluminous number of opinions on the subject already posted in this forum?

I'm not trolling you, I am genuinely curious why you have chosen to dismiss the general rule without actually taking the time to understand where that point of view comes from.