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    non-bullshido knife, impact, and firearms training that is "alive?"

    Not the dead pattern crap.

    I have heard of straight blast gyms "stab" program and the I was impressed with the video I saw on it for knife defense.

    Is there any training out there that will make you functional in a real combat situation with firearms, knives, and impact weapons? I already know how to target shoot from hunting, the military, and law enforcement (correctional officer). But the training I got in corrections and the military was just the basic marksmanship stuff (army), nothing real fancy.

    Any suggestions?

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    Please define "functional"?

    1) Awareness to avoid these situations
    2) A good pair of running shoes

    You will never be "functional" enough at fighting/disarming a knife or gun wielding attacker to make you feel comfortable facing these types of attacks, nor should you ever. The best you can hope for, should it happen, is to survive.

    Should you fail to avoid/de-escalate/deter this type of attack here are my recommendations based on stuff I have seen:

    - STAB from SBG
    - Red Zone from Centerline Gym
    - Material from Senshido
    - Material from Tony Blauer

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw4th
    Please define "functional"?

    1) Awareness to avoid these situations
    2) A good pair of running shoes

    You will never be "functional" enough at fighting/disarming a knife or gun wielding attacker to make you feel comfortable facing these types of attacks, nor should you ever. The best you can hope for, should it happen, is to survive.

    Should you fail to avoid/de-escalate/deter this type of attack here are my recommendations based on stuff I have seen:

    - STAB from SBG
    - Red Zone from Centerline Gym
    - Material from Senshido
    - Material from Tony Blauer
    Yeah, obviously, I guess I should have stated that since I felt like it was implied that the best defense against a knife or gun is to avoid those situation at all times.


    I guess I should have stated what to do as a "last ditch" effort when avoiding/de-escalating/detering has failed.

    Speaking as a former correctional officer I defineatly know of some scenarios where avoiding such attacks is not an option.

    Also have you ever seen any material from Burton Richardson or the Dog Brothers?
    Last edited by Niceguy; 11/03/2006 9:49am at .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niceguy
    Also have you ever seen any material from Burton Richardson or the Dog Brothers?
    Nope, but the "Die less often" video from the Dog Brothers looks ok. I don't have any first hand experience with any of the material though so I can't really comment on it.

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    Are there any clips available from the Red Zone program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinshoryu
    Are there any clips available from the Red Zone program?
    None that I know of.

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    http://www.shivworks.com/

    I have heard nothing but good things about these guys. They all seem to have some real life experience in dealing with armed encounters due to their occupations. I heard recently they just started doing seminars out west.

    I've tried to adopt some of the stuff they show on the website, and it has help take the "art" out of the martial arts I train, and made it a bit more effective.

    Of course, my teacher is always trying to tell me Kali elbow blocks are not a good idea because it keeps you from doing trapping hands techniques....which he's right, but I prefer not to try trapping hands on a full Muay Thai round house to the head...of which the Kali block has saved me from a few times.

    Also, can't go wrong w/ Dog Brothers...though they tend to focus a bit on dueling. But those guys are the crucible for what works and what doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killbot
    Yes, I have the Reverse Edge Methods DVD and I've trained with him. Good stuff, especialliy if you're looking for straight forward knife "offence" material.

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    LE is starting to use a lot of simunitions training. Simunitions is basically a high end paintball system that uses real guns.

    For weapons training, a lot of the medieval groups (www.thearma.org, www.aemma.org, etc.) have created ways to do alive weapons training. And, fo course, you can always check out the dogbrothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killbot
    Of course, my teacher is always trying to tell me Kali elbow blocks are not a good idea because it keeps you from doing trapping hands techniques...
    How are the "kali elbow blocks", do you have any pics?

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