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    a thought (long read)

    It seems to me that we (humanity) have changed the way we percieve reality, this is not a recent phenomena but due to the opportunities given us by the information age, which was supposed to usher in a new age of enlightenment, we have become more concept-bound, more image-obsessed, but worse less willing to examine the true nature of our existance.
    If Beowulf lived today he would not be 'champion of the danes' he would be a cheesy poorly made t-shirt worn by teenagers and the 'champion of a marketing campaign' for some new home gym and diet system, the true beneficiary of his exploits and true 'champion of the danes' would be a faceless marketing executive in the back room of hrothgars hall.
    As this pertains to fighting not just on the professional level but almost to a larger extent (or at least more disturbing) on the amateur level, fighting seems to have become less an action of passion and more a situational image drawn upon for self affirmation in lue of true sense of self-worth.
    When dilligence fails we allow ourselves to become subject to the prefabricated image of 'the fighter' (of course there are slight variations there of).
    The problem I see with this is that it pigeon-holes us as people, it robs us of our fluid dynamic personalities and becomes a self depricating practice that cheapens and degrades the purpose of martial arts, which is in my estimation 1. become a stronger, better person and 2. learn to throw down.
    In many cases this abstraction is taken to such an extreme that neither of those objectives are accomplished, whats worse about all of this is the success of those of entrepreneurial nature who seem to have no regards to ethics or the intrinsic value of the human experience, It seems like there are many who wantonly project an objectification of our perceptions of self.
    I encounter many who practice (mma/ma) who have such a dogmatic disassociation with their own relationship to existance that they see martial arts as a thing to be gained and collected rather than something to be learned, practiced and assimilated into one's self("I got a new move today") this of course applys to many activities.
    I wonder if the greater degeneration of martial arts into a series of useless self-help books is the work of a few mislead tricky salesmen, the result of a socio-economic cycle, or merely a microcosm of the glitch in human nature that tends to destroy everything that is not violent protected by objective and conscious patrons.
    I wonder this not just because of the disassociated indifference of many practicioners and the diefication of martial arts figures of the past but also the constant image-mongering and dehumanification of prominent fighters, turning them more into selling points than examples of exceptional skill(its not as bad as in other sports yet ie. michael jordan is more a symbol on a shoe than a human being at this point).
    To anyone still paying attention to the rant I would like for you to share your thoughts on it and point out that its not an intended slight on any specific party.

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    We knew you could do it! pbr posted, YAY! And if a bot is this rude, just imagine harsh this is gonna be. Hope you're wearing a thick gi.

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    Welcome to Bullshido,

    That was.....different, are you by any chance Doctor X's college freshman son?


    P.S I'm glad you said (humanity) so I know this doesn't apply to me and my little sachets

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    Please use the default text for standard postings, reading that made my brain hurt.

    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was from the size of the text and not the content.
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    I perceive reality by the equation that if i don't believe in it and it does not go away then it is probably real - everything else is largely semantics

    You took a long time to basically say "aren't things getting commercialised these days?" - Pull up a cup of ovaltine and a hovis loaf and watch the responses just fly in

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    I think there is a lot of philosophical content here that's lacking a lot of definition and historical perspective. Some definition of the "nature of our existence," a brightline distinction between "self-affirmation" and "self worth," a demonstration that MA is indeed "degenerating," an explanation of how people are "dehumanified" especially when the accepted academic term is "dehumanized," what links this concept to negative impacts, what those impacts in fact are, etc. is called for.

    I'm not saying that you don't have a point; I'm saying that there are a lot of words in here and not a lot connecting them. I'd like you to give us some context, some framework, and do some work to substantiate your assumptions. I'm not just going to go along with aspersions against the commercialization of sport--some of us don't immediately assume that's a bad thing. Nor am I going to assume that the objectification of people is inherently bad--I think it's a natural product of the human mind's tendency to simplify things as much as it can, and I think everybody does it. Even you, when you're railing against the unspecified unethical villains who are exploiting the sport.

    So, make this a little clearer, and then I can either agree or disagree. Until then, let me say, in the most educated way I am able, that I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Which makes you no worse than many of my professors at college, so please don't be offended. I'm just a little dense sometimes.

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    Also, if I'd had the courage, I might have just said what Hannibal did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kohadril
    Also, if I'd had the courage, I might have just said what Hannibal did.
    Courage is overrated - I tend to blunder in through a sense of red-misted stupidity and displaced sense of priorities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal MAP
    Courage is overrated - I tend to blunder in through a sense of red-misted stupidity and displaced sense of priorities
    That's the best way to handle most things, really.

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