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    Quote Originally Posted by HANKtheTANK
    the new generation guys like st.pierre, denis kang, and many others that arent poppin into my head now, they're the exciting ones, that set u up for the take down, they can do it all, and obviously with more options in your arsenal, the harder it is for the opponent to predict what u'll do. So when you DO shoot for the take down, it'll be that much more effecient...and 'pretty'...


    I have to disagree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wakinonioi
    I have to disagree with that.
    can u elaborate on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HANKtheTANK
    can u elaborate on this?

    By way of example, where do you see more "efficient and 'Pretty'" hand work, in boxing or in MMA?

    Not a comment on MMA itself but an observation that you will see more expert examples of any given skill in a context that focuses more specifically on that skill. For obvious reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wakinonioi
    By way of example, where do you see more "efficient and 'Pretty'" hand work, in boxing or in MMA?

    Not a comment on MMA itself but an observation that you will see more expert examples of any given skill in a context that focuses more specifically on that skill. For obvious reasons.
    Pure boxers don't look very "pretty" in MMA because their opponents don't try to box them. I think his point was that the new generation of fighters like St. Pierre have so many dimensions to their game that when they do shoot, it works better because it's a surprise. As opposed to a straight up wrestler who everyone knows is going to shoot at every opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrett
    Pure boxers don't look very "pretty" in MMA because their opponents don't try to box them. I think his point was that the new generation of fighters like St. Pierre have so many dimensions to their game that when they do shoot, it works better because it's a surprise. As opposed to a straight up wrestler who everyone knows is going to shoot at every opportunity.
    Also the MMAist could be faking the shot for something else like an overhand right. A pure wrestler would not have the skillset to do something like that.
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    oops, wow, u guys beat me to my own answers
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    yeah, i think u may be taking my point out of context a bit?
    the point is about unpredictability....as AndrewL and Barrett have both mentioned above
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    I don't know if I would say "surprise"

    Quote Originally Posted by Barrett
    Pure boxers don't look very "pretty" in MMA because their opponents don't try to box them. I think his point was that the new generation of fighters like St. Pierre have so many dimensions to their game that when they do shoot, it works better because it's a surprise. As opposed to a straight up wrestler who everyone knows is going to shoot at every opportunity.

    And because of that you are going to see more technical excellence in takedowns in wrestling than in MMA. As for "works better," that's a whole other discussion.
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    This thread is Fastest takedowns in MMA, waki. Why are you talking about wrestling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacWombat
    This thread is Fastest takedowns in MMA, waki. Why are you talking about wrestling?
    Takedowns lead to discussion about wrestling (more specifically the wrestling aspect of mma).

    I wonder why ive yet to see an ankle pick in mma, except for Waterman vs. Crocop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacWombat
    This thread is Fastest takedowns in MMA, waki. Why are you talking about wrestling?

    How 'bout 'cause I damn well decided to?


    Also, Andrew L's answer was good.
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