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  1. jkd_fighter is offline

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    9/04/2002 12:20pm


     

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    my style right now is tkd. i know every one hates tkd because it is not realistic and lots of schools are mcdojos. but what about the non wtf styles? are they just as crapy? my school is under grandmaster j.j. lee. he was one of the first people to bring tkd to north america and he is world renowned. it is sort of an old school style of tkd and we use the i.t.f. patterns. what do you think? also what about traditonal jujitsu? is it good? what is it like compared to bjj? has anyone heard of can-ryu jujitsu?
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    9/04/2002 1:19pm


     

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    Most people on this site have a problem with TKD due to the prolifference of McDojo's in the system.

    There are alot of BJJ and Muay Thai fans; however, I believe even the hardcore Muay Thai and BJJ fans will say find a school with an instructor that you like who can back up what he or she says and whom doesn't make magical CHI/KI claims like "one touch knockouts" or any general mystic claims, and stay away from anybody claiming to teach astral projection selfdefense etc.

    In short, if you really like the training then who cares what someone on an Internet message board says. Just go train.
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    I've heard of can-ryu, but dont know much about it.
    Where abouts in canada are you? I train in kelowna BC at Bissett Jiu-Jitsu. It's a modern school of jiu-jitsu, but not a brazilian style one. It teaches mostly stand up stuff, but also covers a fair bit of groundwork, like any good JJ school. In my humble opinion, Old school JJ is more effective in self-defense, simply because you can't always tackle a guy to the ground! One of the sensei's at my school works security at an arena, and if he takes a guy to the ground during a busy concert, hes gonna get trampled, or kicked senseless by the other guys budies. It's just not always practical to groundfight.

    "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"
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  4. Michael

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    9/04/2002 4:23pm


     

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    Well we do the ITF system do my friend, but I also make it a requirement that my students understand the ground game and know who to fight full contact. Most studios won't do this because it isn't profitable. Unfortunately I'm not in this for the money, I just have nothing better to do....bwhahahaahhaa. jk. Too many TKD schools are stuck in there own microverse refusing to understand the world around them. I'm not so much as ultimate style vs ultimate style for you and your mindset, body and life style.

    Hope that helps
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    TKD is not the problem, its the way TKD is TAUGHT thats the problem. There are round kicks, punches, front kicks ALL in TKD. Its the sparring and the FOCUS thats off. If you know about how a confrontation really works than you can become a good striker using TKD. You just have to know what is real and what isnt.

    BJJ has everything that old school JJ has also. If you think that BJJ tells its students to always drag a guy to the ground then your not very familiar with BJJ. It addresses standing close quarters in the same way that JJJ does but without the fake movements that will never work like odd wrist locks and fancy throws and such. Try doing a wrist lock on a guy and have him REALLY resist. Tell a big friend to grab you and dont tell him what your going to do. Just have him react when you start to move.

    "Do not become entranced by impractical or useless movements. Do not be categorized as one who "Learns all there is to know about less and less until he ends up learning everything there is to know about nothing." -Ed Parker
    "All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC


    Reverse punch Kiaii!!!
  6. Michael

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    Well actually Peedee we do exactly that with our wristlocks (only way to see if you can make them work), and about your analysis on BJJ, I've yet to meet the BJJ school that doesn't insist on dragging to the ground first. Not til you are a senior Blue belt (which takes a while to get to) do they even start addressing dominance in a takedown procedure. In most cases they teach double legs or leg post as ways to get somebody down.
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    Posted On:
    9/04/2002 5:57pm


     

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    Have many a time thought in the same vein as PeeDee on the validity of techniques in the real world. When I practice DZR JJ I seem to see quite a few techniques that need to be modified for street use & clothing as they center on having a big juicy ghi lapel to use as a fulcrum or to set the choke with. Let's face it you are not going to get a sweet Seoi-Goshi on a guy wearing a Fruit of the Loom T-shirt or wifebeater.

    My KempoJJ class is centered around percussion so street clothing doesn't play as much a part but still I look at the points where the techniques are most likely to fall apart and remember that they are for dojo use only.
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    I agree with what Mr Clean does. We have to remember that we're lucky enough to KNOW what techniques are for Dojo only. Alot of people really have no idea and take whatever is taught to them as gospel truth.

    "Do not become entranced by impractical or useless movements. Do not be categorized as one who "Learns all there is to know about less and less until he ends up learning everything there is to know about nothing." -Ed Parker
    "All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC


    Reverse punch Kiaii!!!
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    I've noticed a pretty wide range of quality within traditional JJ classes. I've been to classes where the instructor has shown a variety of spinng wrist-lock escorts and I've been to classes where the instructor has shown takedowns from a shin-blocked Thai low-kick. It was pretty easy for me to distinguish which places were feeding me crap and which ones knew what they were doing.

    Secondly, BJJ additionally varies depending on where you go. Some BJJ places show techniques for grappling an opponent against a wall/car, judo/wrestling throws and striking. Others completely skip any conversion from standing to the ground.

    My suggestion would be to shop around. The most expensive school isn't necessarily the best (and I've noticed it rarely is) and certain martial arts are more advantageous for different people.
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    Posted On:
    9/05/2002 10:43am


     

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    my teacher had an oppurtunity to train with Founder himself, he hav studied under GM ree ka hi(IX dan)and Master Leong(VIII dan, ex world champ)

    typical TKD(ITF) curriculum(why my teacher teaches in India)
    theories
    principle of generating power
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    sparring(both rules n with no rules)
    breaking boards with punches, knive hands
    kickin/punchin/blocks
    self defence techniques(against knives,stick)
    throwing and grabbing..
    chin-na(including ground grappling/finishin up after take-down)
    good endurance n stamina makin excercises.
    fighting against 2 or more oppnt's.
    meditation(depend on the individual teacher)

    normally kicks r practiced from the first day but they add up in form in later belts(around green)
    a TKDist should be able to use elbows, knees, or anything that can be used in attacking...
    Most of instructors here around my area can teach one inch punch as most of them specialize in those.
    all of them advise us to cross train with others.
    phylosophies related to self defence, and lots of different areas...

    if u cannot do this then i bet at least u r not learning TKD
    -Bhudhijeevi-
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