Thread: Choosing a 9mm Pistol
8/22/2006 10:31am, #1
Choosing a 9mm Pistol
This post started as a response to someone's reply to my off-topic post in "What gun do I need? Also, survivalism!" To atone for my previous transgression, I've started this thread in hopes of getting some assistance.
Due to recent events, I plan to buy this weapon in the next month or so. Ordered from least to most expensive, all fees included, here are the pistols I'm considering:
- Taurus 24/7 Pro 4" ($399)
- GLOCK 19 ($492.66)
- Springfield XD 4" w/Heine sights, 2006 package ($573.99)
Some might say they're listed by increasing desirablity, the only one I've fired is the Glock. I don't like the trigger pull on the Glock, its roughness plays into the spasticity of my hands. My local shooting range only rents Glocks (if you want to rent a semi-auto in 9mm), but there's a range about 20 miles away that might rent a wider array of pistols. I plan to contact them soon.
I'm primarily looking for reasons not to get the Taurus, apart from its issue with jamming. I've got the story on the jams, and it seems I've got the fix too.
Other than that, I'd like to hear people's opinions of actually shooting each gun. Ergonomics, ease of aiming, and trigger characteristics are what I'm looking for at this point. Some time in the next couple of weeks I'm going to visit an epic gun shop to get my hands on the latter two guns, though I don't expect to buy them there.
Finally, I'd like to know what you folks think about frangible ammunition. I'm thinking of loading frangible rounds for home defense to avoid overpenetration. This will be a major concern in about a year when I move into an apartment. My primary interest is how well such ammo cycles in a semi-automatic. I've looked at the stuff from International Cartridge Corporation, but that's pretty much all the frangible I'm come across so far.
8/22/2006 10:49am, #2
People rave about the XDs, but I really like the new Beretta PX4 Storm. It's modular, can be adjusted to left or right handed carry, and just looks cool.
But why are you sold on 9mm? Are you going to be shooting so much that ammo cost is a factor?
8/22/2006 11:48am, #3Originally Posted by PhrostOriginally Posted by RobstafarianOriginally Posted by Don GwinnOriginally Posted by Robstafarian
Carry doesn't matter to me at this point, I'm buying this for home defense. It takes a lot for me to get to my breaking point and stop being a peacenik, and what I do at that point comes down to the degree of danger. I hope that training BJJ will allow a "go to" weapon for Defcon 1-3, but when things really go to hell I want to have a much more powerful (and tactically distinct) "go to" weapon. I'd like to think that the only time I'd be forced to act in such a situation is when it happens in my own home (i.e. home invasion). In any case, I know full well that at this phase of my physicality CCW just means my gun will be used against me.
After a cursory search it looks like I can get a PX4 Storm for $548.99. I'll search for reviews on it now, I'd appreicate all the information anyone has to give me at this point. I feel weird planning to buy a gun, it goes against my nature, but I'm quite realistic in a strategic sense and I realize it must be done.
8/22/2006 3:14pm, #4
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If you want to smooth out the trigger pull of the Glock, you can always replace the standard trigger connector with the 3.5# part. This will not affect the power of the striker pin at all, since you are not replacing the springs.
8/22/2006 4:01pm, #5
If yer absolutely convinced on going 9mm and don't like glock, just go with the springfield xd. Also you could look a used HK USPc or a SIG 226 in your price range. And **** that frangible ammunition ****. Just go with hollowpoint"We spoke to them in the only language they understood: the machine gun"
8/22/2006 4:50pm, #6Originally Posted by chemistryOriginally Posted by Hawkeye
I'm looking up the Beretta PX4 Storm right now, looks great. Phrost, mind giving a testimonial?
I may go back to the range and try a GLOCK 23, not sure when that might happen though. Can anyone characterize the recoil of .40 versus 9mm? For reference, I previously shot 115gr. American Eagle FMJ from a GLOCK 19.
8/22/2006 5:35pm, #7
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Talk to some EMT guys. Frangible ammo produces a nasty looking wound but it lacks proper penetration and permant wound channeling. So basically you have a round that doesnt cause a deep enough channel to promote extensive bleeding or a carries enough mass to at leastt leave a decent amount of internal damage. If your packing a 9mm its absolutly imperative that you get high quality ammo in order to make up for the size discrepancy and its hard to beat JHP in that performance range.
Of the choices listed, the real battle is between the Glock and the XD and this comes down to fit. The XD has a classic 1911 style grip that most folks find comfortable and a trigger a little different from the Glock so if the Glock doesnt feel right the XD in all liklihood will. I would shy away from the Beretta at the moment because its upgradeability is finicky. Parts arent as widespread or as cheap as they are with the Glock or XD and if you start looking for more mags, a holster or a new extractor (once youve started putting mileage on your gun) it wont be easy to swing to the local gunnybunny and buy a replacement.
The recoil in a .40 is definatly more noticeable than in a 9mm. I suggest staying away from .40 in glocks any way as the vast majority of kB (kaboom/ blow ups) happen in .40 glocks. Glocks arent well suited to the high pressure the bullet causes. .40 recoil is a lot more snappy. whereas a .45 has a slow thump feel to it. a .40 often feels like a short but violent pop in the hand. 9mm recoil is easily manageable especially in the Glock.
I own a USP in .40 and it has probably the best recoil reduction possible for a handgun and the .40 still takes a fair bit of practice to learn to control and exploit in that design. If you dont intend to put at least 1000 rounds down the range every 6 months to stay profiecient, stick with the 9mm. Its a cheaper ammo anyway
8/22/2006 5:58pm, #8Originally Posted by Roaming East
On the other hand, I have every reason to expect that the "epic" gun shop I mentioned will be able to support my PX4 Storm (if I decide to get it). People in my area are probably familiar with it, Green Top Hunting & Fishing. Their site is no great shakes, but the place is so beautiful I've gone twice just to look around and talk. Great guys, they didn't mind a bit.
8/22/2006 8:52pm, #9
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PX4 is a fine pistol. Just expect to pay a premium for accessories. 35-40 bucks a magazine for a weapon will start to hit kinda hard once you need new ones. I assume your going with the DAO version
8/22/2006 9:17pm, #10
I'm actually thinking about the Type F, which is SA/DA with a manual safety.
The gun comes with three 17 round mags, though some sellers remove the third mag. It is said that CDNN does this, but two mags should be enough for me and their $439 price puts the weapon well under $500 by the time I pick it up. I imagine that by the time I'm looking for accessories they'll be cheaper.