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    Well after my grandma had a stroke her doctors gave her 5 years to live, but with a glass (or two) of beer a day she lived 20 years longer than expected...

    But after all this is BS so all theories are useless so here is what you need to do get really drunk every week-ends for a year and see how it affected your training then do the oposite and write an artcile on it :-)

    Seriously though alcohol does mess up your body chemestry so it will have an impact on your fitness and training the amount of impact depends on how much you drink, how often and your age/fitness level.
    Martial Arts is like sex, if you over complicate it with exotic sounding names, theories and principles, you end up fucking yourself in the ass. -Ronin69

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    If you want to use a drug, go for caffiene. I dun kaffiene and my brane aint no recked of side afeks.
    Last edited by Virus; 10/23/2006 6:06am at .

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    yes i would also like to hear about the estrogen. Are we talking about beer or spirits or what? I wouldnt think distilled liqours would have alot of impurities or hormones in them (if its the case that estrogen.etc...)

    The most I get from a search is a number of jokes like this:

    "Estrogen Found In Beer
    Yesterday scientists revealed that beer contains small traces
    of female hormones.
    To prove their theory, the scientists fed 100 men 12 pints of beer
    and observed that 100% of them gained weight,
    talked excessively without making sense, became emotional,
    couldn't drive, couldn't think, and
    refused to apologize when wrong. No further testing is planned. "

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    oh heres something too:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

    Determination of estrogenic activity in beer by biological and chemical means.

    Promberger A, Dornstauder E, Fruhwirth C, Schmid ER, Jungbauer A.

    Institute of Analytical Chemistry, University of Vienna, Vienna, Austria.

    It has been suspected that beer drinking may change the hormonal status of men caused by phytoestrogens. Five different Austrian lager beers have been investigated for estrogenic activity by a yeast two-plasmid system harboring the human estrogen receptor alpha, after concentration by solid phase extraction. The beer concentrate was further fractionated by reversed phase HPLC, and then the fractions were characterized by the biological assay and GC-MS. The most potent fraction did not contain a known phytoestrogen. The total activity corresponded to an average of 43 ng of 17beta-estradiol/L of beer. It was concluded that the human health hazard of beer drinking originating from compounds activity on the estrogen receptor alpha is negligible.

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    Well I don't drink at all during the week, only weekends. But perhaps I should go with what everyone else says and slow down on drinking. Ill have to start smoking Marijuana instead :new_rainf

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    Quote Originally Posted by kracker
    Alcohol also contains a surprisng amount of estrogen meaning that some of your muscle will turn into fat
    And some of your lead into gold!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubei33
    Interesting article, I couldn't think of any way estrogren getting inside an alcoholic beverage.

    Quote Originally Posted by A.D.D
    And some of your lead into gold!
    I thought about the same, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt, I thought, maybe he meant something like "incresing fat while reducing muscle" (inadequately expressed by turning one into another). Since the estrogen thing didn't turn out to be utter bullshit maybe he deserved it, although he was not the one to point it the reliable source of info.

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    i keep tryin to spar, but nothin happens! supporting member

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    spending money on alcohol may impact one's training budget.

    Interesting article, I couldn't think of any way estrogren getting inside an alcoholic beverage.
    soy beer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kracker
    Alcohol also contains a surprisng amount of estrogen meaning that some of your muscle will turn into fat but I doubt that would be too noticeable unless you are the type of guy who drinks till he passes out every night. If you just drink socialy/casually I doubt it would affect you much but just to be safe I would stop drinking minimum a week before the actual fight.
    Somewhat, kind-of true. Alcohol (CH3CH2OH) does not "contain" estrogen (how could it?).
    It is beer, which contains chemicals with estrogen-like activities (I think they are called "phytoestrogens" and are found in hops and other plants -- they can also slightly alter the female menstruation cycle).

    -E :icon_twis

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    If you are serious about becomimg a pro fighter you should limit your alcohol intake accordingly. Dehydration is the major side effect that can pull your energy level way down. I always make sure to drink plenty of water when I am drinking and the day after a binge as well. Drinking a nice big glass of water before bed after a night of drinking will keep you from getting a hangover. Which makes sense because that is all hangovers really are - dehydration.
    A beer with dinner while training - ok. But you definitely don't want to go out on any benders in the three to four weeks leading up to a fight.
    " If one wants to have a friend one must also want to wage war for him: and to wage war one must be capable of being an enemy." - Fr. Nietzsche 'On The Friend' Thus Spake Zarathustra

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