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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    Escaping isn't about pushing with your arms. Its about moving your hips. And get off your back and onto your side.
    True, but the arms keep you from getting pinned in the first place. As it stands all most of the guys have to do is wait for my arms to give then lay on top of me.

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    bump and shrimp , repeat until your back in guard, it will take time and practice, I know this cuase I still can't do it well :P You legs are strongest part of your body, USE THEM.

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    What are they doing once they just lay on top of you? Are they working for different position, are they looking for sumissions, are they just sitting their?

    When I get in a position like that and I am completely stuck and it happens over and over I either ask my instructor for pointers or I ask the person who I am working with for pointers. If you can't counter what they are doing then their skill level is going to stagnate - if they can help you solve the problem then it is going to in turn force them to get better too.

    I agree with what has been said - work first not to get caught flat on your back, and secondly it's not about pushing your larger partner away from you, but bracing on them and moving your body away from them (of course when you are flat on your back you can't accomplish this so you need to get them moving first - sometimes by baiting them with an easy positional change for them, or baiting them by giving them a submission).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    Escaping isn't about pushing with your arms. Its about moving your hips. And get off your back and onto your side.
    Highlighted for relevance. This is something I keep forgetting when it's time to roll. It's incredible how much pressure is relieved just by moving to your side, even if just by a little.

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    The bottom line is that if someone has a good side control/1000 kilos with low hips and good base it is going to be more difficult to escape. There are about 5 escapes I've been taught, but all start with getting your hips out, as RP stressed. For more detail on that, the bump or upa goes up to a certain height. Hip out on the way down from the top. That's always a struggle, between you shrimping out and opponent trying to flatten you back again. If you can time something to be synch'd with when your opponent is shifting their weight to go for something, that can make it a little easier. Earlier on, work to be quicker at snagging half guard in transition and / or getting the far side underhook going in so you can sit up into their middle. That's where you have more options, not flattened out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black mariah
    True, but the arms keep you from getting pinned in the first place. As it stands all most of the guys have to do is wait for my arms to give then lay on top of me.
    -No, hip movement keeps you from getting pinned in the first place. Don't get me wrong, a strong push with your arms is good, but the key is hip movement.

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    You do get more used to it, and you also learn to scramble a little better and don't get flattened out so bad when the guy lands on top of you in the first place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by black mariah
    Gayest thread title ever, but whatever...

    I have a serious problem with guys laying on top of me. Namely, I can't fucking breathe and it hurts like a ************. This blows because I can slip out of pretty much any pin... unless it's my chest being pinned as in yoko shiho gatame or something similar.

    Is this something you just get used to, or is it something that conditioning can help with?
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    Bump and shrimp. Repeat until you recover guard.
    Can't really repeat this enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDChick
    Can't really repeat this enough.

    Actually, you can stop repeating it after you recover guard.

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