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  1. DCS is offline
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    DBMA Staff question

    I was watching a very interesting clip of Dog Bros. staff work (http://dogbrothersvideo.com/staff.wmv) and i wonder if there is any reason for the lack of thrusting movements.

    Any ideas, info....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS
    I was watching a very interesting clip of Dog Bros. staff work (http://dogbrothersvideo.com/staff.wmv) and i wonder if there is any reason for the lack of thrusting movements.

    Any ideas, info....?
    DCS,

    I will admit that i am at work and have not watched this video yet (yeah i should shut the **** up) However with a background in FMA the Idea of the thrusting movments were put in primarily for edged weapons. I would say that it is very likely the same idea is being followed by the DBMA guys since a staff thrust while margeinally effective is not a good as a swing attack.

    **Warning Planktime has no seen this video and will be watching after his 12 hour shift at the salt mine. Until then please feel free to flame, taunt or otherwise torture him. Not like you needed this warning as permission.**
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    Thrusts are too dangerous. That's why they don't do them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    Thrusts are too dangerous. That's why they don't do them.
    Nice. Too deadly
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    Not seen vid my comp won't handle right now.

    From the little stick work i've done i'd guess it's because if your thrust is parried away from you & down it will be hard to recover, and leave you open, esp. with a longer staff (bo, 1/4)

    (to make it clearer is you thrust leading left and they parry to you right, say with the bottom of the stick and then having an over head set up)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    Thrusts are too dangerous. That's why they don't do them.
    Watch the clip again. There are punyo's with the staff shown (2:10) and positions and movement where a thrust could be made that transitions into an angled strike (2:29 and 3:05). Thrusts are there and are tought but as this is training for a staff as a staff not as a staff for a spear I would suspect they are used less often in fights. (Just as they are in stick fights). I'd take the thrust with a staff in trade for a full swing to the opponents head any day.
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    You can't thrust in a realistic fashon while training with a rigid training weapon. I aint making this **** up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    You can't thrust in a realistic fashon while training with a rigid training weapon. I aint making this **** up...
    Ok so I watched the video. First to all the DBMA guys out there....**** you guys are my heros. Next In reference to Ronin's idea above i think i see what he is saying. The chance for injury is very high with some thrusts. There tendancey to penetrate and runpture organs ect may make it difficult to train with them in a live full contact environment. I cannot however say that i know this for sure. I would like to hear more thoughts on this subject from Redelvis or Poidog. They would have more of an expert opinion then I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    You can't thrust in a realistic fashon while training with a rigid training weapon. I aint making this **** up...
    Please elaborate. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, just curious about your viewpoint. Are you saying because it hurts too much or because it doesn't respond like a non-rigid weapon? Does this apply to sticks as well?

    Do you consider a punyo a thrust of sorts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    You can't thrust in a realistic fashon while training with a rigid training weapon. I aint making this **** up...
    I would like some elaboration too. I'm a former fencer and FMAer and whenever I've sparred, thrusting was uncommon because it was ineffective, not dangerous. With a stick, it was really hard to land with any force, and unless you were spot on you usually took a brutal shot as a result of the thrust. Granted, sticks aren't staves, but they're pretty similar.
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