Bit of an unusual question (standup grappling)

**Judah Maccabee** · Posted On: 10/14/2006 9:46pm

I'm beginning a new job where I'm working with autistic residents. Some of you may have seen my thread about the CPI training. We went through it today, and I have to say that the material and instructor didn't fill me with confidence that I can handle an aggressive/violent resident. For example, the guy demonstrated a block to the ankles by USING HIS HANDS. Even though the book itself said to check the kick with your foot (which he said was too hard).

Some of the stuff was reminiscent of Krav Maga, namely how to escape someone grabbing your wrist with one or both hands. Some of the other stuff seemed a little sketchy.

Given that I'm working with developmentally disabled residents, there's a huge difference between working with them and training for a sport/self-defense circumstance. Firstly, any kind of strike used against them would be constituted as abuse, meaning I get fired. Secondly, although it never came up, material I've come across suggests that I would get into major trouble if I used a pain-compliance technique or chokehold. Basically, my options are to continue dodging/blocking strikes and avoid the violent resident or use "nonviolent physical intervention."

If anyone has any advice or suggestions on further training to deal with this type of situation, I'm very open to them.

**Bang!** · Posted On: 10/14/2006 11:56pm

Arm-drag to seatbelt. Pull down and put your hooks in if necessary while waiting out the storm.

**Locu5** · Posted On: 10/15/2006 9:49am

Underhooks never hurt anyone... neither have hugs. Retards love hugs, right?

**Mjelva** · Posted On: 10/15/2006 11:53am

Originally Posted by Repulsive Monkey

Arm-drag to seatbelt. Pull down and put your hooks in if necessary while waiting out the storm.

I'm guessing a judo throw or a slam would be frowned upon as well, so that would be my choice, too.

You might wanna be a little bit careful about it, tho. I have met people who are a bit pussified when it comes to the harness, and they start freaking out.
I'm looking at you judo guys, here.

Originally Posted by Locu5

Underhooks never hurt anyone... neither have hugs. Retards love hugs, right?

You tell me, sweetheart

(ooh, burn)

**Locu5** · Posted On: 10/15/2006 1:19pm

I might be incorrect on this, but I am fairly certain you aren't allowed to make the color commentary on your own snaps. It is, of course, a possibility that this was a cleverly disguised attempt to say that you yourself are retarded, in which case you have adjusted quite well.

**Cullion** · Posted On: 10/15/2006 1:56pm

Originally Posted by Locu5

Underhooks never hurt anyone... neither have hugs. Retards love hugs, right?

There's a special circle of hell being opened just for you.

**Locu5** · Posted On: 10/15/2006 2:05pm

This circle?

**meng_mao** · Posted On: 10/15/2006 2:22pm

I have a question:
How easily is it determined whether the person to be restrained is intent on only hurting you, or only hurting himself? Do you have a policy stating that you should assume they could try to hurt themselves at any moment, for safety.

If you somehow knew they would not hurt themselves, couldn't you just try your best to defend yourself with a tight guard and circling?

I think if they would hurt themselves, it's much harder to deal with.

**BSDaemon** · Posted On: 10/15/2006 2:47pm

Low amplitude grecco roman. Take them down softly. Safer than freestyle wrestling and judo since if you double/single leg somebody or throw them they have a greater chance of falling back on their head. Once they're on the ground, lock them in a squishy from side control until your buddy gets there.

***JohnnyCache*** · Posted On: 10/15/2006 3:52pm

You need to learn "Second orderly fu"

Particularly the "Large orderly who got your back because you spring for Subway a lot" ryu.

Seriously - the best way to restrain someone without hurting them is to do so with help.