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  1. Aesopian is offline

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    Spinning takedown - flying mare with gi

    Another technique from Eduardo de Lima. This time it's a throw.

    If my crude knowledge of wrestling terminology doesn't fail me, this is a gi version of the flying mare. And if my memory serves me, Lucas Ezell, a purple belt from my school, used it successfully several times in the 2005 Pan Am on his way to winning his division.

    It's going to be hard to understand the speed and momentum of this move from pictures alone, so just try to understand that you need to use a lot of both to get your opponent to flip over like shown. This a fast move and you don't stop moving until it's done.



    You need to start by getting this grip from standing. When he grabs your lapel with his right hand, cross grip his sleeve and reach under it with your left hand to grab his lapel.



    Drop down and spin under their arm, like you're doing a barrel roll.



    Keep spinning and rolling on your back, trying to do a full rotation. The momentum and grip on their arm and lapel will force them to flip forward.



    Keep spinning and rolling as they flip over.



    You should be rolling belly down as they land on their back.



    Come to your knees. You've still got control of his arm and lapel from the start of the move. From here you'll need to drive into him and establish side control.

    I hope that I've given you enough to spin about today.
  2. Pandinha is offline

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    Great takedown!
  3. babo78 is offline

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    There is similar, if not identical throw in Judo. Ude Gaeshi.

    http://judoinfo.com/images/nauta/udegaesh.gif

    This is a bit of dangerous technique like Scissor leg sweep (Kani Basami) due to fact that if person that is being taken down fully resists against the throw instead of going with momentum of throw and perform breakfall. It may cause breakage if not serious injury to arm/shoulder.

    As for technique, I'll add that a good grip is needed.
  4. Res Judicata is offline

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    Yeah it's ude gaeshi.

    Here's a decent thread on it: http://judoforum.com/index.php?showt...&hl=ude+gaeshi
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  6. Stew is offline

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    11/09/2006 10:06am


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    A flying mare is known as Seoi-nage in judo, which is a little bit different throw than ude gaeshi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stew
    A flying mare is known as Seoi-nage in judo, which is a little bit different throw than ude gaeshi.
    No, flying mare is not seoi nage. Seoi nage shoulder throw using one (ippon seoi nage) or two (morote seoi nage) arm. Flying mare is arm reversal (ude gaeshi) throw.

    Edit: seoi nage is lifting and person is thrown over your head while ude gaeshi is spin and person is thrown on your side. Performed the technique clearly shows.
    Last edited by babo78; 11/09/2006 10:21am at .
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    http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competit...s/lesson08.htm scroll down to plate 123 and 124. Now look at this to compare the two. http://www.judoinfo.com/images/nauta/seoinage.gif
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    That's all fine and dandy but Aeso's post of Eduardo de Lima's Flying Mare is clearly ude gaeshi and Eduardo in the pics is not performing ippon seoi nage flying mare.

    There is no way you can perform ippon seoi nage and make it look like Flying mare shown in this post.

    Edit: Btw, thanks for that wrestling technique manuscript. Freaking sweet to look at old school wrestling
    Last edited by babo78; 11/09/2006 1:16pm at .
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    Actually I am to blame for this. Aeso was trying to explain the technique over IM and I thought he was talking about a Flying Mare/Seoi Nage. This technique is Ude gaeshi.
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