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  1. Teh El Macho is offline
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    Korean Judo Champ Ki-Young Jeon's grip/kumikata and morote seio-nage clips

    I just uploaded 5 short clips of Korean Judo Champ Ki-Young Jeon on youtube. Check'em out.

    The first 4 clips deal with grip fighting (kumikata) - keep in mind Jeon is left-handed when watching the clips. The 5th clip introduces morote seio nage, and it builds on the content from the first 4 clips. Therefore, I'd suggest you watch them all in the given sequence.

    Hope you guys enjoy and find them valuable. This has already clarified a few questions I had...

    ... and discuss and comment, you voyeuring bitches!!! :biblethum

    *** Kumikata - First Clip ***

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGJKWwXzeGs[/media]



    *** Kumikata - Second Clip (cont) ***

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crKrqEI1elc[/media]



    *** Kumikata - Third Clip (cont) ***

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H12JEy0vf38[/media]



    *** Kumikata - Fourth Clip (cont) ***

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDO47cAomrQ[/media]



    *** Morote Seio Nage ***
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZfTuSi02SE[/media]
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    I forgot some of you have firefox, which seems to go kaput every now and then with media tags, so the URLs are the following:

    *** Kumikata - First Clip ***

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGJKWwXzeGs


    *** Kumikata - Second Clip (cont) ***

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crKrqEI1elc


    *** Kumikata - Third Clip (cont) ***

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H12JEy0vf38


    *** Kumikata - Fourth Clip (cont) ***

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDO47cAomrQ


    *** Morote Seio Nage ***
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZfTuSi02SE
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    I do like the grip fighting instruction. Any gi grappler should find benefit in the videos. The Seio Nage that he does takes years to perfect so I don't think that it is something that can be easily learned on the internet.

    I like the high lift on the entry though. I can appreciate it cause if I lose in randori/shiai, it is usually to a Seio Nage variant.
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    In the 4th clip, around the 32s mark, is there a score in judo for the throw? The throw initially puts the throwee on the ground, but he bucks a little and rolls over the thrower into a turtle, and takes his back. It'd obviously not be a good throw for MMA if it's that easy to overroll your throw, but I wonder what the rule for scoring in judo is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meng_mao
    In the 4th clip, around the 32s mark, is there a score in judo for the throw? The throw initially puts the throwee on the ground, but he bucks a little and rolls over the thrower into a turtle, and takes his back. It'd obviously not be a good throw for MMA if it's that easy to overroll your throw, but I wonder what the rule for scoring in judo is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata
    Quote Originally Posted by meng_mao
    In the 4th clip, around the 32s mark, is there a score in judo for the throw? The throw initially puts the throwee on the ground, but he bucks a little and rolls over the thrower into a turtle, and takes his back. It'd obviously not be a good throw for MMA if it's that easy to overroll your throw, but I wonder what the rule for scoring in judo is?
    Ippon. It represents everything wrong in modern Judo competition.
    What he said. If you get your opponent to land flat on his back, that's an quote-and-quote "clean throw". Ippon ensues. There are a few things that play well in the game of earning points, but are not necessarily the greatests things ever in MA (like that type of ippon-earning throws, or turtling all flat.)

    There was actually a discussion last Thursday at my BJJ class. We had a visiting BB Judoka named Jimmy who also has a purple belt in BJJ who took over the gi class that night. The BJJ school I go is heavy about inviting judoka and wrestlers to teach every now and then.

    Anyways, one of the things we were doing was a seio-nage from a quasi-turtle position as a counter to your opponent trying to take your back. You can find my half-baked description of it in my training log.

    To make the story short, Jimmy was explaining that the way to generate powah for the seio from that fetal position is to initiate a movement that almost look like you are going to roll over (as in Jeon's clip at the 32s mark)... but you don't roll over; He was saying 'if you are in a judo tourney, just roll over. That'll get you the ippon. Anywhere else, stop the roll and immediately move to side control, kesa gatame or whatever, land on top of him, pin him, crush him, get control and stay with it.'

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    Anytime dude. When I saw these clips I knew a lot of folks, myself included will benefit from it. Hopefully more folks can take pieces of info here and there and add them to their game :thumbs
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    That sounds suspiciously like Neil Adams commenting on those clips, you got any more of his stuff El Macho?
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    *** Kumikata - First Clip ***

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGJKWwXzeGs


    *** Kumikata - Second Clip (cont) ***

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crKrqEI1elc


    *** Kumikata - Third Clip (cont) ***

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H12JEy0vf38


    *** Kumikata - Fourth Clip (cont) ***

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDO47cAomrQ


    *** Morote Seio Nage ***
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZfTuSi02SE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lu Tze
    That sounds suspiciously like Neil Adams commenting on those clips, you got any more of his stuff El Macho?
    I have some more stuff, but not on Jeon's clip :( I got short clips of techniques filling up an spare HD I have. Hopefully, I'll get the chance to put them up in youtube. My next upload will be a short clip on ouchi gari... I will keep you all guys posted :)

    You can subscribe to my youtube account (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=elnyka) or MA group (http://www.youtube.com/groups_videos...ykamartialarts) as well. That way, you'll get notifications when I upload new clips.

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    fixed cause I was bored
    Thanks, dude. Mucho appreciated.
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Quote Originally Posted by meng_mao
    In the 4th clip, around the 32s mark, is there a score in judo for the throw? The throw initially puts the throwee on the ground, but he bucks a little and rolls over the thrower into a turtle, and takes his back. It'd obviously not be a good throw for MMA if it's that easy to overroll your throw, but I wonder what the rule for scoring in judo is?
    There's a score for the throw, but the video doesn't give it. I suspect it's not ippon; it appears the second segment is from the same match, but I can't be certain.

    I wouldn't read too much into the continuation after the throw.

    Notice - the throw occurs at the edge of the mat, and finishes out of bounds. In the other throws in the clip, where action continues in bounds, Jeon maintains control of uke on the ground.

    It looks to me that Jeon could have resisted the roll, as he did in other throws in that clip, but given the situation choose to go with the roll. Guys at this level usually have pretty good mat sense, and know where they're at, any time during the match. Given multiple opponents in the course of the day, it helps to learn when to relax; less tiring and probably safer.

    I dunno, I may just be remembering a recent muscle pull - I put a foot out to stop a roll over similar to the action in the clip, and got a pulled hamstring that's still tight. But it's my suspicion that Jeon decided to not resist the roll, and let the action take them out of bounds for the restart.
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