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Vunak generally gets his point across, points to some solid techniques, and seems to present some simple ways of drilling those techniques with aliveness. Unfortunately, he generally doesn't break down the fundamentals or the strategy of application the same way you would see in a Dog Brothers video, frex.
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ditto. He doesn't break down the stuff. The only good his videos have is
that they are good reminder material for people who already know basics.
(If you watch the "Anatomy of a Street Fight II" video, my instructor is in there.)SEANBABY:
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Have you been talking to my mother-in-law?
Paul Vunak's Street Safe 3: Vol. 2.
This is the review of the next tape produced by TRS and Paul Vunak for being street-safe.
Part I: Actual Techniques Demonstrated and Advice Given
The first scenario is a continuation of the two-on-one fight. Except now it's 3-on-1. The same advice and tactics are used here as in the two-on-one drill. He says that this always works out badly in a real fight, as the tactic of the group will be for one person to tackle you and the rest to stomp you. He circles away, throws a few punches, and then runs out of the basketball court. "Be like a rat and survive."
The next scene is Six-on-one; however, there is an equalizer. He has a rather large fake knife. The drill involves his instructors running after him, and when he cuts them with the knife, to pretend that it's a real cut.
After this, he gives a bit of a lecture on the reality of fighting larger groups, this one is 3 on 3. He states that it's nothing like Hollywood due to the "fog of war", as he calls it. Basically, in a real fight involving multiple people, there is mass confusion. He says you might be beating up one guy and doing well, when you get hit from the side by another guy. He takes a moment to talk down about competitive martial arts stating that none of them can prepare you for the situation, (he specifically says NHB, Jujitsu, and Thai Boxing). Three of his fighters go against three of his other fighters in a large confrontation. The point being at the end of it that it's chaotic and not very pretty looking.
His next scenario is a bar fight with two on one. In the first scene, one of his instructors gets pummeled by two people as he stands in the middle of them and tries to fight them. In the second scene, Vunak is sitting down and the two guys approach. He gets forewarned by quite a distance, grabs a beer bottle, cracks it over the guy's motorcycle helmet, (they wear motorcycle helmets for the bar fighting scenes), and elbows the other guy and runs.
The tape transitions from multiple attacker scenarios to ground fighting. Vunak's advice is that in a street fight, the ground is the last place you want to be. He states that rolling around on the ground can get you hit by the other guy's buddies, along with rolling onto broken glass, syringes, and getting road rash from the pavement. He also states that if you're in a military or a police environment, you cannot control your weapon.
He states that his art of biting will create the space to get out of a groundfight, and that this is the optimal solution. The necessary techniques are biting with the incisor to rip flesh, possessing the sensitivity to know when to bite, having the grip strength to hang onto biting, having technique with the jaw muscles to rip flesh, and this will take training. He states that BJJ is the "creme of the crop" of groundfighting, but is a form of "self-perfection" not "self-preservation". If you're in a lesser altercation, he says you can go for the armbar, the choke-out, or the attack.
His demo is to have someone hold the person down in a scarf-hold and use groundfighting to get up. The person on bottom kind of flailed about while the person on top transitioned between scarf-hold, side mount, and mount. His point, you cannot get up. He says that with his biting techniques, you will be able to get up.
His first biting defense is from the side mount with both arms on one side attacking the arm. Vunak's first defense is to reach under the armpit of the person in side mount. This is to neutralize him going for any armbar attempts. His second move is to grab his hand across the back, giving him a hug from the bottom. He then bites the attacker, causing the attacker to break the attack and allow him to get to his feet.
His main point is to get an "uninterrupted bite", using some sort of a pinning hold to cause the attacker to have to get away without being able to easily pull away the arm or whatever else is being bitten.
His second defense from a side mount is when the attacker has one arm under the neck. Vunak uses his head-side arm to wrap around the neck, his farside arm to grab his hands, and he begins biting the cheek.
The third defense from side mount is to spin, (requiring the headside arm of the opponent being over the head instead of under it.), into a North-south position and bite the groin of the opponent, then spin out and push kick off the attacker.
His fourth 'defense' isn't actually a defense. He calls it a "cross side" position, but its actually a modified knee on belly. Just picture knee on belly, but don't put your knee on the belly. Put it near the hip to block the hip. Then, reach over and put the headside arm under the neck, keep the head low, and grab your own hand with the hip side arm by putting it underneath his arm. Now bite and eyegouge. When he moves, go into the full mount.
Part II: My thoughts on his advice and what he demonstrated. The Griping.
A.) The little exposition he gives on the ground-fighting segment is perhaps the most embarrassing. No ground-based martial art teaches fighting from inferior positions, as he suggests. The military has found that in hand to hand fights, it's nearly impossible for an assailant to grab your side arm if he is in mount, pulls guard, knee on belly, or is in side mount. He doesn't discuss getting to the feet, avoiding takedowns, or anything from a groundfighting perspective. He also doesn't discuss the primary strategy of a groundfighter is to control the fight into the ground, not end up on the ground in a sub-optimal position.
B.) The idea that biting is optimal is farcical at best. Learning proper sweeps and escapes will do more to create space than randomly trying to bite someone. In his demo, the person on top transitioned in and out of positions while the other person didn't do any real escapes from the positions. Of course, against an experienced groundfighter someone without training will be screwed. The solution is to get training.
C.) His biting defenses have an obvious flaw, in that from the sidemount, if the person traps the hipside arm, (as most grapplers do, and as El Guapo demonstrates in his modified side control), he cannot execute any of his biting defenses. The positions he starts off in are positions in which he could execute an escape already instead of going for the bite. He has his hand underneath the armpit and his elbow blocking the attackers hip.
D.) While stopping short of outright bashing BJJ as a self-defense tool, all of his positional moves are straight from BJJ to get into the biting position. In other words, no grappling skill, no biting. He does at least recognize that the position is more important than the raw bite, as he states numerous times. The irony is that he finishes the fight in the mount with a ground and pound attack, which is ironic because at point A, I say this is what a groundfighter would be looking for anyway.
E.) He states that if the fight is of a lesser degree of violence, then a choke or a submission is more appropriate. He seems to be stating that it's less lethal to choke someone out and leave them unconscious, or to break someone's arm, than it is to bite them. Of course, I'd rather be bitten than have my arm broken, but maybe other people feel differently.
F.) He's obviously in great shape and obviously trained a while in the martial arts. I'm 66% done with the set and he's yet to recommend getting into shape and studying a good martial art as an effective street solution to problems.
Random Gripes not Related to Anything:
* LOL at rolling into broken glass and syringes. No lava.... how sad.
* In the scene with the bar fight, he leaves his wife behind to deal with the two attackers.
* All of his shirts are missing sleeves, either to show off his arms or to deal with the sweaty pit problem.
Part III: The Good Stuff
Again, his group fighting advice is solid. Run whenever you can, don't get cornered, and try to keep them away. He recognizes the use of positional drills in biting and eyegouging. He recognizes the need to escape a bad position quickly.
Part IV: Overall evaluation
The group defenses were already covered in the first review, so I'll concentrate on biting defenses.
While his biting defenses are more realistic than the random biting idea that many RBSD people seem to put across, it is my opinion that it is a sub-optimal solution. Particularly when he uses it to achieve the mount and finish with a ground and pound. To achieve the biting positions, a person must have a good knowledge of escapes and reversals already to get into the biting position. Instead of a knee-to-elbow escape, use a knee to elbow and bite the guy. Instead of an upa to a rollover, bite the guy then upa to a rollover. It's the same defensive tactics w/ a bite or an eyegouge added into there for good measure.
My biggest complaint is that Vunak still hasn't emphasized or even mentioned finding a trained MA instructor to teach this stuff to you, or the importance of fitness in any fight. This is probably due to TRS bewildering claims that "this video can teach you how to defend yourself" and "in 30 minutes you can download every move shown here". While those claims are unbelievable, Vunak has emphasized repeatedly the importance of multiple drillings and time in learning how to defend yourself.
This tape is pretty much the same as the first. The advice he gives is solid but can be had for cheaper than what he's charging. The defensive drills he shows are solid, but unless you already know a good deal about groundfighting and escaping positions, you won't be able to utilize them. -
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I doubt there's any substantial critique I could make to the Dan Webre tapes that has not already been commented on. I have a couple of RBSD films I'll be looking at later for a good laugh. Vunak is pandering to the RBSD community with these films, but beneath it you can tell he's a great martial artist and knows his stuff. Some of the others are total washouts. The one I'm most interested in is Diallo Frazier, who is supposed to be a 'short, unassuming man', yet was once one of the gang world's most elite 'enforcers'. I'm smelling Bullshido.
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Street Safe III, by Paul Vunak