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  1. Das Moose is offline
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    Elbow to Temple = Brain Aneurysm?

    I ran into someone tonight who, as well as claming to study Ninjutsu (which as far as I understand it is nonsense as ninjutsu = being a ninja, not just unarmed combat) claimed to have done Muay Thai under a private trainer (as opposed to, i dunno, an actual instructor at an actual school).

    Then he told me "The first thing I learnt was how to kill someone."

    Me: "You what now?"

    Him: "See, if you elbow them to the temple, that causes a brain aneurysm, and they'll die."

    Me: "....come on, isn't that a bit far fetched?

    Him: "No way, it causes an aneurysm!"

    Me: "Then why don't you see people dyeing all the time in muay thai matches?"

    Him: "Well no one's going to go out attempting to kill anyone, if you aim a little higher it'll just knock them out."

    So -

    1. Is this possible in any way, shape or form?

    2. Do you think this guy has actually done MT for real, or is he just a complete bullshitter? He didn't even know of the main club in Belfast which is pretty much the biggest club by far in northern ireland and produces pretty much all the fighters.
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    O goshi his ass next time you talk to him.
  3. Das Moose is offline
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    10/08/2006 7:36pm


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    I've learnt to be more cautious after running into TKD/JJJ etc guys who can actually fight pretty well.
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     Guy Who Pays the Bills and Gets the Death Threats Style: MMA (Retired)

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     Guy Who Pays the Bills and Gets the Death Threats Style: MMA (Retired)

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    In other words, he's full of ****. Maybe if by "elbow" he meant "Two Handed Broadsword".
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    Posted On:
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    It's all within the realm of possibility as I've heard of a few, rare cases where a person has been killed by one single hit to the temple. But that **** happens all the time in fights - if it isn't an elbow, it's a fist or a kick (when they are down)... and we don't see countless deaths in the newspapers. They give a headache that hurts like a ************, though.

    Anyways, bullshit == (elbow to temple -> certain death) :jerk:

    Not only that, any claim that a single specific blow to a specific body part will guarantee a certain death is bull. The human body is build to take a lot of punishment, a lot. I'd dare to say that pound by pound, humans are among the most resilient of animals when it comes to enduring physical damage.
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    Posted On:
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    a lot of martial artist bullshitters would like to believe the body is some kind of fragile thing. it isnt. the human body is an incredibly resilient machine, which is part of the reason why we cover so much of the earth. like cockroaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Macho
    I'd dare to say that pound by pound, humans are among the most resilient of animals when it comes to enduring physical damage.


    but we are the fastest...given enough distance...on land
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    10/08/2006 9:44pm


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    An aneurysm is by definition a pathologic dilation of a blood vessel. In other words, if you think of an artery as a hose, an aneurysm would be a bleb on it, which of course is really dangerous since it can burst anytime. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL ANY TYPE OF HIT CAN CAUSE AN ANEURYSM. You are either born with them, or develop them over time.
    On the other hand, in cases of major blunt trauma (car crashes, big falls...) someone could develop an intracraneal hematoma (blood vessels break inside your head and you accumulate blood). The only way I can think of a human being causing such amount of damge to another human being, is by kicking his head as a football while it is resting on the ground (and probably more than once). So, unless this guy is capable of reproducing such amount of power with his elbow on a moving opponent, he's really ought to stop watching the power rangers.
    Last edited by Shinshoryu; 10/08/2006 9:49pm at .
  10. pauli is offline

    i keep tryin to spar, but nothin happens!

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    Posted On:
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    if elbows to the temple are lethal, spinning backfists must kill whole families.
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