Problems in Butterfly Gaurd...

**GIJoe6186** · Posted On: 10/07/2006 1:51am

I was in butterfly gaurd and was sparring a pretty big guy. I had my left hook in and my right leg out. As he countered by pushing my left hook in to me, my knee made a huge crack, actually 4-5 of them. He thought he broke my leg and got pretty scared when he heard it.

Is this a problem with this gaurd? I have thought about this before but never thought it would happen. BTW I couldnt realy walk the next day but now it feels better and only hurts if it moves side to side.

If this should be in the physical training and health area, could a mod please move it. Thanks.

**Method2Madness** · Posted On: 10/07/2006 6:20am

i'd say see a doctor before you grapple again. just to make sure you're alright.

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 10/07/2006 10:09am

Sounds like you almost popped your knee. If you had, you wouldn't be walking right now, but you got very close. Maybe it's nothing, but maybe there is damage.

Dude, for the time being, wear a knee brace, and avoid sparring. Your knee hurts; it's telling you to check it out with a doctor. Just in case. Good luck.

**GIJoe6186** · Posted On: 10/07/2006 3:22pm

Yes I stopped right away and will be off for at least a week as I get it checked out. Im making an appointment to see a doc today and even when I can roll again I plan on wearing a brace for some time just to make sure.

My question though is, has this ever happened to anyone before from butterfly? Is the buterfly position prone to this type of injury?

**pauli** · Posted On: 10/07/2006 8:01pm

spectacular knee injuries are not a standard feature of the butterfly guard.

**NoMan** · Posted On: 10/07/2006 8:08pm

I've been working on my butterfly guard and I've never had that problem. Did you do anything that may have injured it prior to rolling?

**GoldenJonas** · Posted On: 10/09/2006 4:05pm

Originally Posted by GIJoe6186

I was in butterfly gaurd and was sparring a pretty big guy. I had my left hook in and my right leg out. As he countered by pushing my left hook in to me, my knee made a huge crack, actually 4-5 of them. He thought he broke my leg and got pretty scared when he heard it.

This is similar to how I tore my PCL and partially tore my ALC last May or June. Except I was being stacked and went to bring my around and in front as I shrimped back, i.e., I went to put in my right hook for butterfly but only made it to about the guys chest. He drove forward and dropped his weight on my ankle which torqued the knee pretty bad.

If the guy was holding on to your ankle while he was pushing in on the butterfly, prusumedley applying constant pressure to try and pass, it is conceivable that that you could have torqued your knee similar to what happened to me; although hopefully not as severe.

I bitched and whined about it a bit back then. I think there are some threads on rehabing the knee and "how to pick a brace" somewhere around here.

No grappling. Go see and ortho. Get an MRI.

**Samfoo** · Posted On: 10/09/2006 6:41pm

Originally Posted by GIJoe6186

Yes I stopped right away and will be off for at least a week as I get it checked out. Im making an appointment to see a doc today and even when I can roll again I plan on wearing a brace for some time just to make sure.

My question though is, has this ever happened to anyone before from butterfly? Is the buterfly position prone to this type of injury?

I know Matt Hume does a weird heel hook variation when he's in someone's butterfly guard. Basically he reaches down and grabs your heel and yanks. Fun stuff.