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  1. HonkyTonkMan is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by pauli
    knife hands and ridge hands are ideal for fucking up your wrists in ways that straight punches can only dream of.
    You are kidding right?

    I train with a ridge hand as part of my heavy bag workout. (2x a week for 30 minutes)
    I have never had any problems with my wrist.
    I often use my knife hand to break boards at demos and things of that nature. Again I have never hurt my wrist
    I have sprained my wrist using a punch on multiple occasions.
    Your experience may be different.
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    So, here's the question: if it's easier to telegraph and block, why do you want to use it? Fine, you get some "power" out of it ... why not just develop a strong hook, or panantukan whipping punch or something? I was trying this strike out at home and it seemed ... well, lame. Silly.
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    You actually won't telegraph too much with it if you practice with it. I like to treat mine like a hook. It might catch people unexpected too, as not many people use them.

    Shuto uchi uchis are nice to use as a follow-up to a straight right. If your opponent jabs at you can bump it out of the way with your forearm which will put you right in position for one. I played around with both of these in sparring, I tend to get a lot more use out of uchi uchi than gammen uchi though. I love my hooks so I'm more biased to use those.
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    10/08/2006 2:32pm

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    I agree with Viking. Practice more with it.

    I usually throw it with 123, ridge hand punching combo. it works great because it generates a lot of power for me and sneaks in there.
    I dropped someone out at a testing about 2 years ago with one. He was one of those guys that was trying to hurt you all the time so I had had enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDChick
    So, here's the question: if it's easier to telegraph and block, why do you want to use it? Fine, you get some "power" out of it ... why not just develop a strong hook, or panantukan whipping punch or something? I was trying this strike out at home and it seemed ... well, lame. Silly.
    Well, considering that my chop was almost stronger than my hook right off the bat (and I work on my hooks the most after my jab), it seemed like it had a LOT more power and, in some ways, was harder to block in that it comes from an odd stance at an odd angle. The trick is working the setup motion into your normal pattern, as when batting someone's straight punch away, as mentioned by someone above. Yes it does seem silly when you try it out - it helps to have someone who knows it demonstrate on a pad or something.

    Also, what's a panantukan whipping punch? that sounds like a fancy drink to me ; )
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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingPower
    Shuto gammen uchi is what we call it. It's decent, it can hit pretty hard. I like shuto uchi uchi myself.

    It is called Gyaku yokomen-uchi in my syllabus.

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    I just don't know, guys. I think I'd have to see one of you use it in an effective manner to have any respect for it. But I'm a very "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead " fighter.

    Panantukan (this is doubtlessly a mis-spelling) in Indonesian -- I believe -- and uses tricky changes of direction punches that whip into pressure points. These can be landed -- to awesome effect -- while boxing. Have both given and recived.
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    Perhaps I haven't seen enough Kyokushin competitions but I haven't seen that moved used often.

    Is it commonplace in Kyokushin tourneys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicurus
    I was working on the focus mitts with one of my friends recently who once took a karate class. While he doesn't think that the class was practical enough for him to apply most techniques, he has come away with one or two that he still likes, namely a certain knife hand strike which is very impressive.

    The technique he showed me involves holding you striking hand in front of your face in a position kinda like a very low salute, and then rotating it downward so that it ends with your arm extended and the palm facing upward, you strike your opponent with the edge of your hand at the heel. In order to get power into the move, it's important to whip your arm and twist your hips into it as with a hook or similar technique.

    I know, it sounds stupid, but I had him do it to the focus mitt and it was very powerful, and was hurting my hand through the mitt (which hooks did not). I was impressed with the power of the move. Unfortunately it is a bit telegraphed and easier to block than a hook, but it can be added on to a 1-2-3 combo very smoothly with a bit of practice, replacing the hook. It seems like a very circumstancial move but it opened my eyes to the possible usefulness of knife hand attacks. (and I am normally the most gung-ho boxing enthusiast around, straight out of some old-timey english self-defense book from 1801).

    Anyway, the knife hand I describe can be "trimmed down" to fit into a boxing stance (less rigid hand positions, KEEPING YOUR GUARD UP throughout, etc.) and added into combos (although it is hard to combo off this move). My question is; does anyone with more experience have other knife-hand techniques that are USEFUL (i.e. better at least one way than an equivalent punch) or advice on when/ how to throw knife hands in a fight?

    P.S: info on ridge hands is welcome also. And spear hands, if you can give me a use that isn't going to cripple me when I try it. (I hate spear hands)
    You can add the knife hand to your combos many ways. You can use your jab, palm, clawing techniques as a blinder then follow up with your knife hand or shuto chops to the collar bone or neck area. as far as it being slower than your hook right now it's just because itís a new tool to you. Others may correct me if I'm wrong but open hands should travel faster than your closed hands. Knife hands also work great if you know trapping, some may suggest to you use them as a blocking techniques but I strongly disagree. Best punch to use though if you go to the ground you mentioned your buddy was in judo is a hammer fist unless you play with head butts and elbows.
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    I don't think so, to be honest, most likely because head shots aren't allowed with the hands. They do have a shuto hiza uchi which strikes the body but I haven't seen that one with any frequency either.
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