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  1. Jaguar Wong is offline
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    Awesome, a technique I can apply in no-gi classes. The problem is I'm usually the turtle. Also, I was the victim of a guard pass that ended up in that same arm trapped side control. It does indeed suck to worry about freeing that arm and escaping side mount (I used the 100% effective "three-tap" escape once the pressure was put on, though).

    These are excellent techniques you're posting Aeso!
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    I have a very tight turtle (wait, that came out wrong) due to wrestling. I bring my elbows in as tight as possible and my butt is on my flattened heels. Basically I ball up as tight as I can. One way I consistently frustrate my opponents when they raise up to insert their hook is to catch their foot with one hand. Note if you do this before they raise up, you deserve to get choked. After grabbing the hook with my hand I treat it like a single leg.

    My point is that turtle attacks like the one demo'd in this thread are very effective in breaking down a wrestlers base while he is turtled. Edit: I say this because I can't avoid being broken down when my opponent uses these type of techniques.

    I have a favorite turtle breakdown that leads directly to the twister, but I don't have time to describe it now. If anyone is interested I will add it to my growing list of techniques I need to post.
    Last edited by jnp; 10/05/2006 10:06am at . Reason: I'm slow
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
    you need to do a thread like this addressing the judo-rediculous flat turtle. (grab own collar, lay flat on tummy, Y your legs out)

    Besides just building my deadlift up to Djimbesque proportions so I can just lift and ippon anyone doing this, that is.
    Grab their belt and jerk their ass up, then stick your heel under their hip, makes a nice gap that you can use to hook an arm. Sometimes.
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    Tim added this to the description:

    Off referee's position it's advisable to use the knee behind the butt to BUMP (HARD KNEE IN BUTT DRIVING FORWARD) to better break your opponent down. However, chopping the arm and bump should be done dynamically and simultaneously for optimal outcome. This is a very attainable position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
    you need to do a thread like this addressing the judo-rediculous flat turtle. (grab own collar, lay flat on tummy, Y your legs out)
    Oh, yes. Please do.
    I started doing some judo a couple of weeks ago, and this frustrates me to no end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjelva
    Oh, yes. Please do.
    I started doing some judo a couple of weeks ago, and this frustrates me to no end.
    If you can just grab the back of the collar around the neck just a bit, pull it up to see you can stick your fingers in. With fingers in, let go of the grip and push your hand down, sliding your fingers the ridge of your hand is at his throat (ideally until you can grab the other side of his lapel). Choke will follow. I can't get that right since I'm too slow and clumsy, but I've seen it done against that kind of defense (grabbing own collar.)

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  7. Lu Tze is offline

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    That works better if you stick your thumb knuckle behind the earlobe (lol pressure point) and grind it down their jawline. Not very nice though.

    I'm sure Aeso can work some Jiu-Jitsu magic and produce a more elegant solution, the beautiful nutriding bastard.
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    Cowboy ride until they open up their neck or their hips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar Wong
    Awesome, a technique I can apply in no-gi classes. The problem is I'm usually the turtle. Also, I was the victim of a guard pass that ended up in that same arm trapped side control. It does indeed suck to worry about freeing that arm and escaping side mount (I used the 100% effective "three-tap" escape once the pressure was put on, though).

    These are excellent techniques you're posting Aeso!
    I find myself in the turtle position a lot. Try this out:

    http://www.groundfighter.com/details/prodid/204.html

    It's The Turtle and Octopus Guard by Eduardo Telles. I'm not sure there is a review on this site or not. I haven't purchased it yet so I can't really review it myself. There are some videos of techniques that you can download. The cool thing is that you can do them no-gi or adjust them very slightly to work with no-gi. I've personally tried out one of the sweeps and showed them to my sparring buddies and told them where I got them. They have helped by giving me another option I can use while turtled up. The moves has also given me an awareness to being sweapt while trying to attack a turtled opponent and has saved my butt because of it.

    I hope this helps you out.
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