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  1. Teh El Macho is offline
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    Grappling Children of The Corn

    Or should I call them "The Grappling Children of Doom"? :icon_scra

    Anyways, these kids are going at it at the South Texas Grapplers Challenge. If only all children (and I mean all or at least most) were engaged in physical activities like these...

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFTARcTlHvQ[/media]
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Posted On:
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    Freakin first kids got better technique than me :P hehe
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    thats farkin brilliant!!!

    i'd love to see a vaqle tudo match with kids that age.... it would be some funny **** in a twisted way!
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    the little blond kid's blank expression is really creepy.
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    So, what are the thoughts on, say, should that first kid earn a black belt in the art. He understands principles, he has form, he can obviously grapple against other who are around his size, etc.

    Also, I hate to use a naruto reference, but his expression (or lack thereof), especially around 0:24 completely reminded me of Gaara. THe kid was completely expressionless as he worked. No signsof strain, even when he was supporting the weight of another kid his size, while standing, and around 0:40. He just seemed so damn calm.
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    Let me clarify my question. Should the child continue in the art, would it seem wrong if he earned a black belt at a young age?
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    The child should continue do to the art, or any art he feels to enjoy, independently of whether he gets a black belt or not. Plus, he will not get a black belt at a young age. Period.

    There is a minimum age for a black belt in both Judo and BJJ, plus at his age, there are restrictions on the techniques he can use. The goal is not to get a black belt, but to progress and learn how to kick ass.

    The black belt will come when it's time for it to come, if he puts the time and effort, has the skills, and reaches the appropriate age.

    The last thing we want to see in arts like BJJ or Judo is little kids with black belts. Sorry, but no. The moment you do that, you turn these arts into a mockery. High standards, dude, high standards.

    Now, if the day of tomorrow the kid decides to do finger painting or ballet with the same passions, more powah to him.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Ok, let me phrase the question differently. The question isn't so much about teh belt, but the level of skill that it is supposed to designate (as well as the other belts). I didn't know about the part with the limited techniques, so I would assume that would be preventative of reaching a ranking that would allow others in the dojo to understand that he has a handle on the skills and techniques.

    We watched him grapple in the video. Hypothetical queston. Let's assume that they did limit the techniques that he could limit in competition, but he was taught the full curriculum in the dojo. Let's also assume that he is dedicated to the art, and trains for 5 or 6 years (I have no idea how old he is). Look at how he maneuvers now. It's pretty solid, he's not fooling around when it comes to technique (look at the transition around 0:49), good balance supporting both himself and his opponent while maneuvering, etc.

    Most arts would say it takes 3-4 years to earn a black belt, which many define not as mastery of the art, but a firm grasp of the basic elements and techniques of the art. Progression beyond that would be progression toward mastery, taking things that are not "taught", but instead applying the concepts to create things that are not "standard", and being able to not think in terms of "individual techniques", but instead having no techniques. For example, I'm sure that the Gracies and a lot of fighters don't "think" in the ring, definitely not like an amateur in training actually thinks about things.

    Going back to the kid. If we assume that he didn't just start and that at age 14 he's had 6 (dedicated) years in the art, where do we place him along the idea of standards. When can you say that he truly grasps the art?
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    Direct youtube link? Sociocide player + firefox = blah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebrous
    Direct youtube link? Sociocide player + firefox = blah.
    Ooopsie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFTARcTlHvQ&eurl=
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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