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  1. KFighter is offline

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    10/02/2006 3:42pm


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    Goshin JuJitsu?

    Hey everyone.

    I was on wikipedia when I found out about a Jujitsu style called Goshin JuJitsu. I read the article and thought hey this is pretty damn good art. Groundfighting (submissions, chokes, throws) and striking. I talked to a friend about them, and he told me that they're bullshido. He said even though they are trying to put on that they can successfully fight in MMA, that it's all an act. He said they have alot of kata, crappy knife defense stuff, and throw chambered hip punches.

    Here's the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goshin_Jujitsu

    Anyone know more about them? Are they bullshido?
  2. Gumby is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/02/2006 3:49pm


     Style: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

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    Almost all styles of ju jitsu that I know of incorporate some sort of groundfighting- that doesnt mean that they're good at it or that they even have the slightest idea of what they're doing.

    Besides, you cant really believe ALL the articles written on wiki- most of it comes from a bias source that'll give you a bunch of ****- Kung Fu is "good", Hitler was "bad"
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    Posted On:
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     Style: BJJ - Homeland Security

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    Their site links to Marc MacYoung articles and that wiki article is basically ad copy. Need I go on?
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  4. GoldenJonas is offline

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    Goshinjitsu essentially means "Self Defense Techniques". Now, goshin jujitsu?...the separation of "goshin" and the addition of "ju" would make it mean...what? The Way of Self Defense? Some of the more Japanese proficient around here would be know more about the meaning but...

    if it has to do with self defense it is more than likely and more traditional JJJ type style. You may get a particular school that inserts elements of Judo or BJJ into it, but essentially you'll probably be doing a lot of static drills, i.e.,

    "A" attacks "B" with lunging knife attack

    "B" parries knife attack to outside and slides in for ogoshi

    "B" throws "A" with ogoshi and turns "A" onto his stomach using wrist manipulation and putting pressure on the straightened arm by dragging his/her knee

    "B" then disarms "A" and there is much rejoicing....


    bullshido? who knows. Go check out a class and get back to us with a report.
  5. Gezere is offline
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    Posted On:
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    I've come across alot of schools that said they were GOSHIN JJ schools (or GOSHIN RYU JJ) but not all have been affliated with each other. GOSHIN literally means PROTECT (GO) the BODY(SHIN) aka Self Defense and so many pple use this term for their quasi Japanese Uber SD art.

    They all were your typical Gendai NON Japanese JJ school, basicly rehashed Judo with Aikido and Karate thrown in. Now that BJJ is the thing they will inmitate BJJ.

    I don't know how good they are in MMA but many are your typical "street defense" type schools that may have a few good things in H2H but quickly hit asinine when it comes to weapons defense.
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  6. KFighter is offline

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    10/02/2006 4:13pm


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    Well here's the place in Illinois where I was talking about.

    https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ro/www/GoshinJitsu/index.html

    They are seen with championship belts, and also wearing trunks in some of the pictures of their site. So I'm guessing they do compete.
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    Posted On:
    10/02/2006 4:24pm

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     Style: Kakutogi

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    He's a McVicker's Purple belt so it looks good. This school looks different form others that use the GOSHIN term.
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    Posted On:
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    Goshen Jitsu tends to arise out of my area (Western NY and Northern Pennsylvania). It's typically tied back to Jerry Durant, who was a very controversial figure to say the least (see ebudo for more on that one). The related schools can be of varying levels of quality.

    A couple members are in my "extended" martial family. One of them I consider to be a solid student of the arts and a great guy. The other ones are out and out ass kickers who have put their money where thier mouth is and competed in various MMA amateur events -- one also bounced David Moore like a basketball at an open sparring event. So I'm prepared to vouch for those programs.

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    Posted On:
    10/02/2006 5:09pm


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    The last Goshin Ryu Jiu Jitsu school I was at made a big deal about how they spelt 'Jiu Jitsu' with two I's instead of one. This spelling somehow signified a higher level of awesomeness that I should have been able to glean from the spelling alone. They further went on to explain that due to their 'highly evolved and dangerous skills on the ground' ground fighting was not taught until Blue and Purple belt at the earliest.

    This basically meant that up until Blue belt you where Martial Larping your way through what you might think was a Jiu Jitsu class but that was in fact a bad hybrid of Aikido and Kroty.

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    Posted On:
    10/02/2006 5:27pm


     Style: Judo & BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKD Black Belt
    The last Goshin Ryu Jiu Jitsu school I was at made a big deal about how they spelt 'Jiu Jitsu' with two I's instead of one. This spelling somehow signified a higher level of awesomeness that I should have been able to glean from the spelling alone. * * *
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    That's particularly retarded because there are exactly zero "u"s when you transliterate it properly. (I know the BJJ folks spell it the way they do out of tradition).
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