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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeice
    If I'm not mistaken BJ Penn used "octopus guard" to take Matt Hughes back in round 2 of their fight in UFC 63... Live enough? Moreover, Recent enough?
    I'd have to watch the fight again, but I'll take your word for it.

    I suppose it's the individual then. I've gone for a guard sweep, and then when they posture down I've gotten into this position, and instead of me holding them down or getting their back, they sink back and break my hold. By leaving my arm across their back like that, one guy actually passed into half guard and got an arm triangle on me. I guess I just suck.
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    I have to call bull. I've done that position numerous times inadvertantly, and as long as the other guy is bigger or slightly stronger than me, they just posture up or sink back and I'm left with nothing. I wanna see this used successfully live.
    The position is commonly used. It happens somewhat often no-gi. It is somewhat hard to judge based on those two clips whether there is anything novel there, but there are indeed several positional improvements, sweeps and submissions you can do from there.

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    And I still think the shoulder lock is somewhat ridiculous. I can see it happening (hell, I've been getting kimura'd right and left lately, from all freaking angles) but the problem is more commonly and even with abs of steel when you take your weight off the posting arm your weight falls back some, letting them drive you down by the neck (which would create the possibility of armbars and omaplatas).

    Oh great reviewer of bjj media, has that shoulder lock been done successfully in competition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    And I still think the shoulder lock is somewhat ridiculous. I can see it happening (hell, I've been getting kimura'd right and left lately, from all freaking angles) but the problem is more commonly and even with abs of steel when you take your weight off the posting arm your weight falls back some, letting them drive you down by the neck (which would create the possibility of armbars and omaplatas).

    Oh great reviewer of bjj media, has that shoulder lock been done successfully in competition?
    Yeah, I just reviewed that single handed kimura again and I agree. I can't see it being a secure submission either. The ab's of steel comment is perfect too.

    I can see it being an annoyance to help clear the arm so you can move to the back but otherwise....meh.

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    Given what some people have pulled off in comps, I'm curious what Aesopian can dig up.

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    While it's interesting that the guy has worked this game out, I'd advise people to work on their basics before trying this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeice
    If I'm not mistaken BJ Penn used "octopus guard" to take Matt Hughes back in round 2 of their fight in UFC 63... Live enough? Moreover, Recent enough?
    I've seen the clip but not the entire set so the jury is still out on that one. The fact is, B.J. did use the move to take the back but he also used it for another very important reason. Going into that position prevented Matt Hughes from dropping elbows on him that would have ended the fight via doctor's stoppage which, from reading fighter interviews, sucks. Matt couldn't effectively throw any elbows from that position and had to keep forcing B.J. back down to the mat to attack which can be a very tiring thing. I think that's how he took Matt's back because Matt was trying to force him down and B.J. used it to his advantage.

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    Sometimes these 'new' positions make me wonder about helio's 'easier to teach a less intelligent man jujitsu' expression. How long is it gonna take to precisely label, indentify and market every viable or somewhat viable grappling position?

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    Well, first we're going to have to work through the animal kingdom like the kung-fusters, until we, much like the kung-fusters, have an absurdly overcomplicated fighting system. Then I guess we can start working through other stuff. I should start working on my Viking Guard and Swedish Sweeps series.
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