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    Educate me on the octopus guard

    Could someone educate me a little about it? Is it a gimmick, or is it a legit position or what? Is it strictly a no-gi position? I could barely find anything about it on the web.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoleFighter
    Could someone educate me a little about it? Is it a gimmick, or is it a legit position or what? Is it strictly a no-gi position? I could barely find anything about it on the web.
    couple of clips here:

    http://www.groundfighter.com/details/prodid/204.html

    it's legit, yes. you'll probably get more expert opinion if you ask here:

    http://www.jiujitsugear.com/forum/in...board,2.0.html

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    Based on the two clips, wtf? Normal no-gi stuff.
    Guess you can market anything if you give it a lame name.

    The kimura showed is hard to pull off because you'll usually get slammed down as soon as you take weight off the posted arm.

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    I use the octopus guard (didn't know there was a name for it) when rollng shooto with guys. Mainly cause it keeps them from getting leg attacks cause I have their upperbody tightly controlled and it is close to taking the back for the dreaded RNC.

    Note- I get footlocked cause I play loose guard all the time

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    It's great to have names for all theses things, it makes them easier to remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaosexmachina
    It's great to have names for all theses things, it makes them easier to remember.
    Two words... American Kenpo
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    watched the first vid of him demonstrating the position. I have to call bull. I've done that position numerous times inadvertantly, and as long as the other guy is bigger or slightly stronger than me, they just posture up or sink back and I'm left with nothing. I wanna see this used successfully live.
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    My instructor saw Eduardo Telles use this position live while fighting in the black belt division at the 2006 Pan American Tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G8
    Damn!!! Those Telles DVD's look pretty damn good. Does anyone have them that can comment on them?

    I also find myself in the "octopus" position a lot. Particularly when a hip heist gets countered (sans the arm drag part). Never really considered it a "position" to attack from before. But if you are actually able to get the arm drag cleanly against a resisting opponent the guillotine/arm triangle looks to be there for the taking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    watched the first vid of him demonstrating the position. I have to call bull. I've done that position numerous times inadvertantly, and as long as the other guy is bigger or slightly stronger than me, they just posture up or sink back and I'm left with nothing. I wanna see this used successfully live.
    If I'm not mistaken BJ Penn used "octopus guard" to take Matt Hughes back in round 2 of their fight in UFC 63... Live enough? Moreover, Recent enough?

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