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  1. Ming Loyalist is offline
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    solves problems with violence

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    Posted On:
    9/26/2006 9:46pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by pl4zM4
    Wait? All the nutriders keep saying a white belt BJJer is better then a black belt judo-ka and far better then a black belt TMAer. Then all of a suddent you have a problem with black belt TMAer goes into the white belt division. Why is this a problem, I mean BJJ is superior right?

    I know even after I get my Japanese Jujutsu black belt I'll complete in white belt level BJJ cause I know my place.
    i don't think the problem is that they are entering that division... it's that they wear their black belt while doing it.... i mean put on a white belt for the white belt division.

    in fact if you're at a tournament from another style that you don't have rank in, then you should wear a white belt no matter what division you are in. it's just basic respect.
    "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
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  2. Gezere is offline
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    Posted On:
    9/26/2006 10:29pm

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    Actually I don't know whats worse.

    A black belt of another stylel that enters the white belt division while wearing a black belt.

    or

    A BJJ BLUE belt entering the No-gi BEGINNER Division yet claim you have the best grappling in town.*



    *This stems from a rival school here who claims to have the best grappling in town but ALL their guys competed in NOVICE and BEGINNER Divisions while ours didn Intermediate and ADVANCED and WON!
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Ex-TKD, BJJ, Muay Thai

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    Actually, their being there didn't bother me that much. I just wanted to make my own "haha look at Hwarang-Do" thread.

    Asia: People who fight down also drive me nuts. I've seen people in the "novice" division (<6 months) who were in real real good shape, obviously cutting a lot of weight for their division, obviously having about a year's experience or more.

    EDIT: this makes me sound like I'm against cutting weight. I'm not. I just don't normally think of someone with less than six months of training as being the type who would be willing to lose 10-20 lbs and regain it in such a short amount of time.

    Why would anyone go to a competition and sandbag like that? I honestly want to know. Are the plastic trophies and cheap stainless steel swords they give you really worth the $40-$80 you pay?
    Last edited by IzzyDaHedgehog; 9/26/2006 10:44pm at .
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    Posted On:
    10/17/2006 12:29pm


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    Thanks for the laughs guys!!

    Hello, I teach Hwa Rang Do, so of course I'm biased but I just had to respond.

    Ok so I thought about making some smart ass comments in response but that only brings me down to your level, and really who wants to be there. What I can say is typically there is only one reason people trash talk someone else, or in this case another style...weakness and insecurity. Congrats on displaying both!!!

    I want to first defend my comrad by saying that he only trains once a week in grappling and he is actually the teacher. He only gets new techniques and instruction in grappling once a year sometimes twice. So while you guys are rolling around and choking each other (from the quality of your posts a little too much...get some air to those brains...j/k dont' get all grumpy) two hours a night three or more times a week. We (him and I, the instructors...sometimes I feel like it's the blind leading the blind!!) get very little in the way of instruction and only get to practice once a week. Grappling is only part of what we do. Yeah I know it sounds like I'm whining but he did pretty good considering I thought. And as far as him wearing the black belt...come on it's piece of fabric around his waist.....is it worth that much discussion??

    So let me enlighten you guys a little. I will start by saying this....GRAPPLING IS A SPORT!! Just like Olympic TKD and Judo. You have rules you have to follow which dictate certain types of engament, therefore your curriculum is typically limited. Hwa Rang Do is not a sport it's a comprehensive combative martial art. It was designed for the military of anicent Korea. Some of you guys got it right when you said old school Koreans were bad asses!! It's true, but most old school Asian martial artists were bad asses!! HRD does it all, were are generalists not specialists. We do kicking, punching, joint manipulation, pressure point attacks, throwing, re-direction of energy, and yes GRAPPLING too!! When Do Joo Nim (grandmaster) Dr. Joo Bang Lee came to America in the 70's he did teach grappling but the Bruce Lee came around and everyone wanted to kick and punch so to keep his doors open he focused more on the kick/punch aspect, still however holding true to the joint manipulation which is all grappling is, just on the ground rather than standing. If you know anything you know grappling is all about posistion, isolating one weakness on your opponent and attacking with your whole body, right??!!

    Now let me address our arts validity cuz I'm really sick of hearing ignorance (it means lack of knowledge not stupidity so relax)!! Do Joo Nim and his brother were taught by a buddhist monk, Suahm Dosa, in isolation in the mountains of Korea, that is were there skills came from. They did train under the Hapkido banner and then eventually Joo Bang Lee came to head one of the organizations. Suahm Dosa would not allow Lee to teach HRD for fear of it's corruption by the general public....a valid fear considering some of the meat heads running around. Finally Suahm Dosa gave Lee permission on his death bed and he proceeded to construct the HRD curriculum, Lee made the syllabus, he was given no rank, no belt system, just one technigue a day, if he did not practice it was gone forever!! So lots of talk no pudding, right! Well get your spoon....if HRD is Hapkido why do we have more joint manipluation technigues than they do.....if we learned from TKD then why do we have more kicks....if we learned from judo why do we have more throws?? But I'm just talking right...why should you believe me? You shouldn't why not experience it first hand. Chief Master Lee gives seminars in Madison every year, we just had one. We have judo and BJJ, and Japanese Juijistu guys come all the time and they always learn something new. Long story short he's fricking awesome, at 145 lbs and 40 some years old he would whomp younger and bigger guys no problem. Come and see!! That's really the only proof worth believing.

    So like I said we do it all so of course us normal guys (not the onse trained since before they can walk) are not going to beat the dudes and dudets who practice only one thing, duh!!! I'm not great at grappling but I can defend myself against a straight grappler for the most part and I'm training to get better, what else is a martial artist supposed to do? Or are you guys all just brawlers?? I went to the Badgerland deal last year and got beat but loved it anyways. But let me ask you this, why not step into the ring with me under kick punch rules, sparring or full contact and see what happens then? Sorry to be arrogant but your gonna get smashed if you don't cross train. You may be good at grappling under grapping rules but the good HRD practictioners are good at FIGHTING!!!! No rules RULES!!! But is that what it's about?? Our enemies are the other sports on ESPN not each other.


    One last thing cuz Mr. Buss is my boy. Talk all the trash about him you want, it only fuels his fire, he's good like that. But for your sake, leave his girlfriend out of it, you do not want to go there!!

    Happy training all!! Hopefully I've brought some understanding into your world. If not then hopefully I've pissed you off and you'll use that to work even harder!!
  5. 1bad65 is offline
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    Posted On:
    10/17/2006 12:44pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by hwarang76
    I want to first defend my comrad by saying that he only trains once a week in grappling and he is actually the teacher.

    So a 'teacher' from your school entered the white belt division at a tournament?
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    Posted On:
    10/17/2006 12:53pm


     Style: Hwa Rang Do

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    ??????

    So is English your second language?? Did you even read the entire post? Do I have to use smaller words. YES!! An instructor from our school entered the white belt division cuz that's where Mark (guy running the tournament told him to compete)!!

    Read slowly so you can understand. Grappling ranking is set up based on experience and defeating higher ranking belts, correct? So if he's not beaten anyone higher than a whilte belt he would stay there. My point was we are not grapplers, you are a grappler that's all you do, you are limited...you will win grappling tournaments...and good job gold start smiley face but what else can you do??

    His level of experience puts him at the white belt level. HRD didn't put grappling back into it's curriculum until recently, so we are beginners here in the WI. Someone has to teach the lower rankings. Just wait for 5 months and watch him grapple again. He will be in the king grappler division. Would that make you feel better.

    How many stand up fighting tournaments have you entered, try gettting out of your element then open your mouth!!!
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    Posted On:
    10/17/2006 1:02pm

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    :laughing6 ah yes, sandbagging is OK if you write many long wordy paragraphs about it.
    I think it was two ninjas taped together, to make one GIANT NINJA!!!!
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    Posted On:
    10/17/2006 1:12pm


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    No ****. Bro, you need to chill. If an instructor from your school won a white belt division and you are proud, great. I myself would not be proud of that. And actually you can enter 'up' in any tourny. If you have grappled for a long time and never been officially belted, you are not forced to enter white belt(gi) or beginner(no gi).

    And smart ass, I did understand. You said I was correct in my assumption. Do I still need to read slower?


    (off topic) Maestro, we rolled before, haven't we?
  9. hwarang76 is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/17/2006 1:32pm


     Style: Hwa Rang Do

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    1bad65....I really don't care what you do....if your told exactly what the situation is then there is no need to assume....

    so are there any intelligent people on this forum???

    I wasn't bragging, I was defending. Wow! And he is entering up his next tourny...it's that reading thing again
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    Posted On:
    10/17/2006 1:47pm


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    I just needed confirmation from the source, since I never heard of a grappling instructor entering as a white belt/beginner before.
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