9/23/2006 8:49am, #11Originally Posted by Shuma-Gorath
I cant see that happening unless Tito climbs up the cage and hides there. He will get knocked out no matter what he tries. Chuck has become a master at his game, which is fighting wrestlers and knocking them out. Its getting quite boring which is why I wanted to see him fight someone who wouldnt be afraid of meeting him in the standup. Someone like Silva. Dana actually had the nerve to say Silva "didnt deserve" a shot against Chuck because of his last loss. Well then, why not have Chuck fight Cro Cop? That would be logical right, since he was the winner. No, of course that would never happen because Chuck would be humiliated.
9/23/2006 8:58am, #12Originally Posted by yodaman
9/23/2006 9:20am, #13
Originally Posted by RogueSamurai
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Favorite quotes- Dana has the balls to suggest UFC fighters make more than PRIDE ones because he adds in all their sponsorship deals. Considering some of the sponsors PRIDE gets, if you add those in...
Jerry, the PRIDE rep suggests Silvia vs. Fedor and says what we're all thinking, that the fight would last 20 seconds. Dana ducks.
9/23/2006 9:24am, #14
And when Jerry was trying to make a point that the Pride´s smallest shows, Bushido is actually a lot bigger than UFCs biggest show just after Dana said "they owned the market" or something. Dana just kept interupting him probably because the truth hurt him too much. What a fag.
9/23/2006 1:48pm, #15
that's really lame"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -A. Lincoln
Vote your conscience.... Vote Libertarian!
9/23/2006 4:51pm, #16
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The "Silva doesn't deserve a shot"-excuse becomes even more hilarious when you consider what Tito has done to deserve his shot: eeking out a controversial decision against Forrest Griffin, and beating up a guy who should have retired ages ago and couldn't even get past the first round against his two previous opponents. It wouldn't hurt to mention Tito winning yet another controversial, super close decision against Vitor, who got schooled twice by mid level PRIDE fighter Alistair Overeem. This must be, by far, the easiest, most lenient path to a title shot in the history of MMA.
Chuck will beat Tito again, and the UFC will have to bring in Quinton Jackson to make the division interesting again.
EDIT: I don't mean any disrespect toward Griffin or Belfort, they are both good fighters, but in any strong division, you would have to beat better fighters than that in order to get a title shot.
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9/23/2006 5:47pm, #17
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Chuck is the UFC posterboy, so obviously Dana won't put him in with any talent. Dana sees Chuck as the gateway for non MMA fans to come and watch. Watch this "phenom" knock out opponent after opponent. I stopped caring about the HW division a long time ago, now I stopped caring about LHW.
Personally, I still think the UFC is worth something. The WW and MW divisions are enjoyable, and I think the LW division can really break through and be the most interesting one.
Dana isn't going to feed Chuck to a Pride guy until Pride becomes bigger in the US. It isn't logical from a business stand point. If Pride became as popular in the US as the UFC is then perhaps he would as that would be one of the biggest shows.
9/23/2006 9:10pm, #18
You guys are smoking crack. "The UFC sucks." Whatever.
The truth is this is one of the most exciting times ever to be a UFC fan. A prime time show, a PPV a month, new talent coming up (GSP, A. Silva, Griffin...), 155 coming back, and some really exciting fights. In the next couple UFCs alone we have The Crow v. Swick, A. Silva v. Franklin, Hughes v Pen.
I mean, I'm not saying you don't have some valid points. UFC does tend to recycle a lot of match-ups. No one wants to see Silvia-Arlovski 4-8. Heh. But Tito-Chuck II really isn't that bad. And if Tito has planned accordingly it should be an entertaining fight. And if he get's KTFO in the first round... well, that's actually pretty damn entertaining too.
Hughes-Gracie was exciting, if short. Arlovski-Silvia II was the same. Sure, some other headline fights have been snoozers, or dissappointing ref stoppages. But the undercards have been pretty cool. Who's gonna tell me all of Swicks fights ain't fun to watch? Silva-Leben? Come on! That was awesome.
Forget about rivalry with Pride. Pride's great, and they have the money. But the UFC is coming up. And so are the fighters. Emilianko (sp?) v Silvia? Ha! We all know how that would come out. But so what? There's lots of exciting stuff happening in the UFC.
Now, put on some damn shorts, Shonie!
9/24/2006 5:07am, #19
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I'm loving the UFC right now, without any love lost to Pride. Today's show was great, saw it live. I plan on seeing the next 4 or 5 live unless Sony has other plans.
No doubt Chuck is the posterboy but I think a lot of people could fill that "gap bridging roll" really. nothing special about chuck outside of his record.
I don't think there needs to be any Pride versus UFC stuff. Why not enjoy and love both? Same goes for shooto and KOTC.
9/26/2006 8:14am, #20
I think the UFC is doing fine, they are just protecting their marketable guys. It is a necessary evil to push the brand. You can't bring in new fans or casual fans if the title changes every other fight. Someone needs to be on the posters.
I do think the fights in Pride are better but they are never on tv. I can find something UFC any night of the week on basic cable, I stumble across the occasional recap of Pride fights of FSN at diferent times. They need more coverage.
(A brief woohoo! that I can post from work now. Maybe I can up my very sad post count.)