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  1. PPlate is offline

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    9/22/2006 4:56am


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    Will Machado BJJ Good?

    Hi
    Does anyone train under Will Machado or their affiliates?

    I have a question that I don't quite know how to put across politely...er....does Will Machado's BJJ belt rankings differ significantly from other BJJ belt rankings, in terms of grappling skill?

    How are they ranked? Do they need to join competitions and be good before they get upgraded a rank?

    I have heard rumours that a local Will Machado BJJ purple belt was submitted by a white belt in a tournament, so was curious...thanks...

    I'm a white belt beginner myself so I don't know anything....and if this is normal or acceptable or not.
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    9/22/2006 6:46am


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    Some white belts are not white belts. BTW: "I heard" is heresay.


    I believe you are refering to John Will. Why dont you start by asking him directly? He is reported as a very relaxed and approachable guy - but since I have never met him, that is heresay as well. Direct experience is important.
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    9/22/2006 9:57am


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    Quote Originally Posted by Askari
    Some white belts are not white belts. BTW: "I heard" is heresay.


    I believe you are refering to John Will. Why dont you start by asking him directly? He is reported as a very relaxed and approachable guy - but since I have never met him, that is heresay as well. Direct experience is important.
    Hi
    Thanks for the response. You mean the purple belt? No its not John Will. I don't live in the US so you guys probably wouldn't know him, although he's a legit purple belt because his name is listed on their website.

    I was thinking of taking some classes from him (the purple belt) as well because my current class schedule is a little rushed for me and his class times are more convenient.

    However, I want to find out if their belt system is held to high standards and tougher to get (which I prefer) or is more relaxed (which I don't prefer).

    Thanks for any advice anyone can give.
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    9/22/2006 11:13am


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    Quote Originally Posted by PPlate
    No its not John Will.
    Are you sure? Google tells me that there are Will/Machado schools in Aus, NZ, Singapore and maybe other places. The man that they are affiliated with is named John Will, and he seems to have been trained by the Machados. If your school isn't actually affiliated with John Will, then we have either a very bizarre coincidence, or a clumsy attempt to capitalize on name recognition.
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    9/22/2006 11:17am


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    This is all I know about John Will:

    Years ago I got one of John Will's books & liked it. I also know for a long time Will was the "only game in town" when it came to BJJ in Australia.

    I once asked a guy from my BJJ school (one of the senior brown Belts now) what were the "Best" & "Worst" BJJ schools he had ever been to.

    I asked him because he travels all over the world for his job and often gets to train when he travels. He told me a bunch of "bests" (actually I can't remember any of them. --I know, lame--).

    I then asked him the "worst" place he ever trained.

    Without hesitation he told me the "worst" experience he ever had visiting a any BJJ school was when he visited John Will's school in Australia a few years ago.


    He was a Purple or maybe blue belt back then. He said he called ahead and asked if he could train, was very polite (this guy is SUPER friendly). Anyway he says, everyone he trained with tried to injure him. He said he almost had his foot broken by a student. He said the entire vibe was outright "hostile". He said he had gone to rival team school in brazil and been treated MUCH better. He couldn't believe it.

    His friend who he brought with him to train (a total noobie he works with) had his arm broken by one of the students . He swears that it was done "on purpose" and that Will instructed the student to do it. He couldn't say enough bad things about the place or the teacher. I was really surprised because this guy is usually not so animated in his opinions. It was almost funny.

    He REALLY doesn't like the guy or his school.

    FWIW, that's what he told me.
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    Posted On:
    9/22/2006 11:23am

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    How about you ask the John Will Black Belt that posts regularly on these forums?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPlate
    I have heard rumours that a local Will Machado BJJ purple belt was submitted by a white belt in a tournament, so was curious...thanks...

    Sheesh. Anyone can have a bad day, and anyone can get lucky. Additionally, if a schlub managed to get his/her purple, then rested on his/her laurels and got lazy, they may not have the skills anymore. That doesn't mean they are gone from the scene. And they usually get to keep the belt, though. There are also quite a few unranked people who sandbag at tournaments.


    Now, I'm not excusing anyone even if this is a true story, But, at this point, all you are listening to is the smacktalk of gossip. But is it normal? No, not yet; not seemingly in BJJ. Is it acceptable? Understandable, yes. But acceptability depends on more than the rumor mill.
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    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPlate
    Hi
    I have heard rumours that a local Will Machado BJJ purple belt was submitted by a white belt in a tournament, so was curious...thanks...

    I'm a white belt beginner myself so I don't know anything....and if this is normal or acceptable or not.
    In my very first tourny as a white belt in BJJ I was thrown literally head over heels and was forced to tap to a lapel choke. In judo the throw alone would have ended the match. Was I that bad? No, my opponent although a white belt in BJJ was a black belt in Judo and very accomplished in judo competition. The fact that I even lasted over 2 minutes was due to my wrestling backround which at the end of the day obviously wasn't a help in regards to gi's. Ponder that with the "I heard that" talk.
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    Anecdote. A friend of mine in judo goes to his first tournament and I tag along since it's better than boredom. I met this old dude who's a white belt, can't remember his name (Ken?). Dude's shorter than me and walks like an old guy. I figure there's an old-guy group or something and he's just starting out to stay in shape or something.

    He was entered in the masters division and won two of his three matches.

    Turns out the guy was in the military and picked up combatives there, then moved on to judo. He hasn't ever trained in one place for long, so he's never advanced in rank. So he's a white belt.

    Did I mention one of his wins was against a BJJ brown belt about 30 years his junior?
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    9/22/2006 8:17pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by missile
    Are you sure? Google tells me that there are Will/Machado schools in Aus, NZ, Singapore and maybe other places. The man that they are affiliated with is named John Will, and he seems to have been trained by the Machados. If your school isn't actually affiliated with John Will, then we have either a very bizarre coincidence, or a clumsy attempt to capitalize on name recognition.
    Oh, he meant the school, sorry I thought he meant to ask if the person I meant was John Will. I was a little confused at first because I did a search and John Will is a black belt...told you I was a newbie :D

    Yes I think the school is affiliated to John Will's school, they share the same logo.
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