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  1. thomasaaron is offline

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    It is common to here martial artists say that "sports" martial artist couldn't compete with a real "warrior," and that a real warrior couldn't compete with a "sports" fighter under that fighters particular rules.

    I agree with the first part.

    But, shouldn't a real "warrior" be able to adjust himself to the particular rules of a combat sport and, using his killer instinct, battle honed reflexes, and superior control, be able to beat a sport's fighter -- even with rules imposed upon him.

    My point, I guess, is that the warrior should be able to deprive himself of some of his arsenal and still beat a sports fighter because of the warriors own martial skills.

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    Good points. I believe it is easier for a sport fighter, who is used to performing techniques against fully resisting opponents, to adjust to fighting outside the rules than for the other way around.

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    i don't think so, because a real warrior fighter is going to try to cripple or kill

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    I agree with Matt. A sports fighter stepping up, increasing aggression and utilising his skill in a more vicious/lethal way is much easier to do.

    Than a "street fighter" (who wins fights with dirty tactics, biting, eye gouging, etc) to confine themselves to a strict set of rules.

    The first people should be able to do, the latter I doubt any "warrior" would ever consider doing.

    Techniqually the Kyokushin guys are Sports fighters, as are many of the BJJ guys, Both (IMO) could handle themselves quite well in a real fight.
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    Cyrijl,

    What makes you think that in a "streetfight" a sportfighter isn't going to do the same?

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    Also, about this "real warrior" stuff... Who is more of a "real warrior", someone who steps into a ring and actually fights, or someone who never really fights but _trains_ for "street fights"?

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    you assume people who train for streetfights, don't fight...what i am saying is that in BJJ we don't learn to go after soft targets effectively on the ground, in my krav class we do.

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    Can you give an example?

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    This again, I find it funny that people assume that in a fight TMA's will not street fight. I think in the heat of battle it is easier to add aggression then it is to hold back and remeber rules. So I will vote the sport fighter would have the easier job changing roles.

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    OK, I can concede that point. I can see a sport fighter stepping up the aggression. Never thought of it that way before.



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