9/15/2006 4:23pm, #11
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They all work. Over/under grip is your friend. Collar elbow grip works fine too. Some just translate easier than others.And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".
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9/15/2006 5:17pm, #12Originally Posted by El Macho
Basically the answer is: If you can do it without a gi, it gets taught in wrestling under a different name. The tieups will be different but otherwise it is the same. Except judo has a name for every variant, as opposed to an all encompassing "hip throw".
9/15/2006 5:19pm, #13
I always laugh at judoka who comment on how bjj has a specific name for everything and say:
"Oh that's just some 'kuzure xxx'. No big deal, I haven't seen it specifically before but it is basically the same."
Then they go and name off 1000 variations of essentially the same throw.
9/15/2006 5:22pm, #14
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9/15/2006 5:39pm, #15
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9/15/2006 5:40pm, #16Originally Posted by Scrapper
I know a lot of throws do work no-gi, and all of my favourites do, but there are a couple which do rely on a gi grip quite heavily.
9/15/2006 6:08pm, #17
It's a fucking shoulder throw. People who get all tied up in knots about whether it was done with one arm or two are usually anal.
9/15/2006 6:21pm, #18Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
9/15/2006 8:38pm, #19
The dynamics of tai otoshi and koshi guruma are completely different. It is easy to see the differences when the are performed in either gi or no gi environments. Tai otoshi would probably be much harder to perform without a gi because of the fact that you lead the opponent over your leg. Koshi guruma is seen all the time in MMA.
And to answer the openning posters question, all of them are applicable to no gi but some are better suited to it than others. The ones that are easily/readily adapted are usually found within common wrestling moves.
9/15/2006 11:25pm, #20
My 'O Goshi' occassionally turns into Tai Otoshi or Koshi.
In fact - the last 3 no-gi tournaments I have done a variation on all 3. But honestly when you start breaking **** down and trying to nitpick the differences you are doing everything you can NOT to see the similarities.