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    Indeed. However, while the strikes are random in Tomiki Randori/Shiai (with fake knives) they are constrained by rules as it is a sport. Toshu is another beast altogether where it is Judo-esque but limited by rules to Aikido.

    And to answer the question before someone says it. Aikido is optimal at the range Judo isn't. The purpose of the competition is to practice Aikido against a fully resistant opponent to hone our abilities, not to win with whatever means available. The rules enforce that behaviour with the scoring system.

    Aikido and Judo together are phenomenal I hear. The competency of the practicioner in both arts is increased. I would recommend a solid base in one before the other is introduced into your training. Whoah tangent, sorry.

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    Aikido competitions fall into the aliveness realm, realistic or not. Just because there are rules does not mean it is not alive. Aliveness is what you make of it. There is no reason aikido can not be done alive. It is just the majority of aikidoka are afraid of getting hurt.

    I've been toying with the idea of a serious of drills or a point based 3 man randori competition utilizing grappling only that would be more realstic in regard to aikido techniques. If I get some time maybe I start a thread with the details and ask for input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDale

    Im just wondering because one of the guys I work with is a doorman and he swears by an aikido wristlock called sankyo for chucking out and contriolling people.
    I once watched my friend get taken out of his car by the cops with a sankyo on his hand that was on the steering wheel.

    Also. when I say 'my friend', I really don't mean myself.

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    We can always find out: if some aikidoka's around Dallas and wants to give it a try sometime, i can feed in punches. My breakfalls ain't gorgeous, but I can always use the practice.

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    Sankyo is not meant as a controlling lock. It's meant to get the uke to raise up so he's easier to take down or throw. Sankyo would be a tough lock to maintain for an extended period of time since there's a fair amount of space for uke to get out of or counter. Out of all of the kihon techniques, sankyo is my favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionPimp
    I've been toying with the idea of a serious of drills or a point based 3 man randori competition utilizing grappling only that would be more realstic in regard to aikido techniques. If I get some time maybe I start a thread with the details and ask for input.
    Please do. I am always open to new ways/ideas to try to evolve the way I train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionPimp
    There is no reason aikido can not be done alive. It is just the majority of aikidoka are afraid of getting hurt.

    I don't know if I agree with that. When I trained in Aikido it hurt like a bitch. And I have gone on to do some Jiu Jitsu, BJJ, wreslting, MT and sparring.

    I think the objectiion that many Aikidoka would have is that Alive Aikido wouldn't have the same flow and artfullness as practiced and frankly would look like sloppy jiu jitsu.

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    When I say hurt, I do not mean pain. I mean injury. When you train with aliveness, you run a much higher risk of injury. A lot of aikidoka that I talk to like judo, but they do not want to train in it because they are afraid of injury.

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    Goju, do you mean this sort of movement when you talk about the sprawl counter?

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=UxGoOr6q0...elated&search=

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe
    I think you need to train in something that is alive like grappling and try to find aikidoish applications.

    For example I have been doing some takedown classes that are greco based. So I am learning better to sprawl and clinch. I have been thinking what if following a succesfull sprwal instead of coming up and underhooking I get my hands behind the persons neck. My left hand/arm then pushes down on thier head while my right slide down to under their arm left arm and pushes up, while my left leg swings back and i drop my body down.

    If the person is driving through on their shoot this should turn into a good Aikido like throw.


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    I i'm pretty sure that's an actual silat takedown.

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