Posted On:9/06/2006 7:39pm
I find that being outclassed helps only if you have the basics. If you still don't know what the **** is going on, stick with others that are figuring it out (for the most part).
Once you understand some basics, go get raped. The improvement can be seen in making really good guys work to sub you.
-------Disclaimer--------- I don't know **** about training in a striking martial art.
Judo: the anti-trapple
Posted On:9/06/2006 7:57pm
I like having a mix of partners.
I always jump at the chance to get owned by blues / purples (BJJ) but I've noticed a lot of white belts won't. Sometimes free rolling looks like a junior high dance with people lining the walls. I monitor my progress by a decreasing level of ownage as I keep going with the same guys - like Mongo said, making them work harder to sub you.
I am just now at the point where I can maintain control and do some experimenting with complete noobs, so that is a cool new training development.
My favorite guys are my contemporaries and I suppose they are closest to who I will match up with in comps. These are the guys I get a good long exhausting roll with because we can't quite submit each other. I usually feel like training was the most fun when I run into my friends who are at about my level.
Originally Posted by Dinosaur AMP
You just can't go wrong when your getting armbar'd to Flogging Molly while a fire fighter is cursing at you in the background. Good stuff!
Posted On:9/06/2006 10:43pm
yes! Unless you are Phil Elmore or Commander Cole, both of whom seem to specialise in random homeless guys
Posted On:9/07/2006 6:49am
In boxing, it seems like heart and determination of that given session has a lot to do with the level of the person you are fighting.
What I mean is, for a month straight I took whoopins from this one guy, one day I came in with the "I can't take this **** no more" mind set, and I delivered my whooping on him. The next day, he was thinking the same thing and showed similar ebenflow determination.
So sometimes it seems like having 2 guys about the same skill level constantly pushing each other is the trick. Though a slice of humble pie is nice now and again as someone said above.
Posted On:9/08/2006 2:26pm
Having noobs helps because you can actually apply the techniques in a semi-resisting environment without getting smoked. It also allows you to concentrate, for example, on one type of throw, setting up properly, while the noob goes at you with anythng they want. This helps develop the individual technique in a way that you wouldn't get when training wth someone who is better than you and YOU are the one doing anything possible.
Unfortunately, this is theoretical as I am at the bottom of the food chain at my club. Hopefully, someday a new person will come in that I can apply the afforesaid theory to.
Posted On:9/08/2006 7:58pm
Style: BJJ, JKD
yea training with people who are better then you is good, it sub consciously makes you do better i think because you want to be on par with the rest of your group.
Posted On:9/10/2006 10:47pm
I was thinking about this today actually. I was in my gi bjj class today, and looked around and realized I was probably the least expeirenced and lowest ranked guy there, except for maybe one other guy in a room of 15. All the guys at my school are really good, and a lot of people have been promoted to blue and purple belts recently. I do have 6 months of training now however, so I think I'm getting better, making people work harder so submit me etc. Always being the n00b can kind of suck, but in the long run it's beneficial right? I get frustrated because I can't make any of my stuff work, and get tapped all the time. But when I anaylyze it I realize that since I'm always outclassed, I probably work harder and will raise my skill level quicker because of it. It's basic survival, I'm pushed harder than anyone there because of my competitive streak/desire to avoid pain. I'm actually really lucky to be able to train with guys that are so good, I hope it rubs off on me some.
Posted On:9/11/2006 10:15am
Style: Mixed Martial Arts
Theres nothing more annyoing that sparring against wimps.
Posted On:9/11/2006 10:36am
Style: I know Kung Fu
I think the best training comes from people who are better than you.
When i first started, i got owned by everyone i rolled/sparred with.
Its great to see the gap between you and your training partners close up as you become better. Its a feeling you can't really explain, its almost like winning a fight.
Oh and lets not forget the noobs. They're there when you need to go light due to an injury. And a great way to try out new techniques. I used to totally suck at slipping past a punch but now i can at least avoid a few punches from the better people at my gym.
Last edited by Shard; 9/11/2006 10:40am at .
Posted On:9/11/2006 11:03am
Style: Sub Westling, MMA
I like a mix of total newbs I can tap with impunity, guys of around my level that I find challenging and tap or can tap with a near 50/50 percentage and then guys who outclass me to a rediculous level just to show me all the cool **** that lays ahead if I keep training.
Oh yeah and youve gott have at least 1 newbie who would be easy to tap if he wasnt build like a gorilla who likes doing slams :5flowerfa
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