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  1. Hannibal is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equipoise
    No.. There's no need to grind the joints like that. Listen I use to do shockups on concrete, and using a rolling pin on my shins etc, when I was believing the WC was the greatest thing on the planet. Then I started actually learning about physical training and actual fighting and learned what I was doing was just stupid.

    Strengthen your hands and your forearms, that'll make you hit harder.

    Doing knuckle pushups won't really have any long term negative effects like breaking boards or concrete blocks and things like that. There is no impact factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal
    Doing knuckle pushups won't really have any long term negative effects like breaking boards or concrete blocks and things like that. There is no impact factor.
    Except that you're grinding your wrists. You're trying to put like 60% of how much you weigh on two small frail joints. To make it worse, you push on them even more to get up. And less to get down. Hence close enough to impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poop Loops
    Except that you're grinding your wrists. You're trying to put like 60% of how much you weigh on two small frail joints. To make it worse, you push on them even more to get up. And less to get down. Hence close enough to impact.

    Your grinding/pounding your wrists everytime you stike a heavy bag, your grinding your wrists everytime you grip someone's gi and attempt a throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal
    Doing knuckle pushups won't really have any long term negative effects like breaking boards or concrete blocks and things like that. There is no impact factor.
    Hmmm, no.

    Yes, there can be negative impact if you overdo them or if you are prone to carpal tunnel syndrome, arthritis and tendonitis. I've found knuckle push ups on the first two knuckles (the index and middle ones) to be a lot safer than on the remaining three. I used to to both type ad nauseum long ago. Then until recently (perhaps june of last year) I started doing them again.

    After a while, I noticed a tremendous amount of pain in my hands, basically from doing them on the last three knuckles. I stopped doing that ****, and I only do them on the first two, on my fingers and on my index and thumb once or twice a week and no more than that (I guess just for vanity and variety in my workouts.)

    There are much better ways to strenghten the wrists and grip. See this article at grapplearts.com, which I've been following religiously for almost a year now. That has worked for me a million times better than any mumbo jumbo I used to believe before. Hell, my wrists are a lot healtier now than before!!!

    Knuckle and finger push ups IMO just add variety to an existing wrist/grip streghtening plan. They should not be the backbone of it, at least if you want to avoid arthritis when you hit your 40's and 50's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal
    Your grinding/pounding your wrists everytime you stike a heavy bag, your grinding your wrists everytime you grip someone's gi and attempt a throw.
    Exactly, you are pounding your wrists, which you do not do as much with knuckle push ups. As PL said, with such push ups, you are grinding your knuckles, not your wrist. The knuckles get tired waaaaaaay before your wrists do.

    Also, when you hit a bag (if done correctly), pressure is applied on the wrist bones in a direction parallel to the tibia and ulna. When grappling or throwing, pressure is applied on the wrist laterally (in the range of motion allowed by the wrist).

    The former is based on proper alignment. The later is based on the ability of the wrist to function under tension within its natural range of flexion as well as the of the lower three fingers (or thumb if doing no-gi) to remain contracted (again within the natural range of motion of the wrist.)

    Those are two different conditions, two different animals that require different (albeit complementary) strenght training programs.

    Again, see that article I mentioned.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Actually, I meant your wrists.

    A punch is quick and you damn well better be wearing some gloves. You probably aren't putting as much weight behind each punch, anyway. Same with a throw (even less...)

    With push ups, if you're doing any decent amount, you'll be in that position for a while continuously pressing down on them with each push.
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    In moderation, should be no problem. I do them a lot.
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    Depends how you do them... there's doing them on the flats of your knuckles (as in, between your first and second knuckles) or on the knuckles themselves (right on the points of the first knuckles).

    Assuming you mean the latter, you're going to be working your wrists/forearms hardcore, and they'll fatigue far sooner than your typical pushup muscles; similar to how if you do bicep curls before your bench.
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