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  1. Teh El Macho is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by TehDeadlyDimMak
    Aikido =/= BJJ

    That's pretty much it.
    Yeah, what he said. Regarding the comment judoka have better stand up/footwork, that is true in general. My BJJ instructor is a 2nd dan in Judo as well, so he usually goes over footwork, breakfalls and a bit of uchikomi. But the class lessons and sparring always start on the ground, for safety reasons because the majority of the students are not good at it, and because that's not the intention and focus of the class to begin with.

    However, BJJes with a wrestling background are not as easy to throw or takedown... and there are plenty out there.

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    I just saw Mongo's post. Nice!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    I always find it funny how on the one hand, judo is the gentle art, a game of subtle action and reaction, with its ideal of maximum effect with minimal effort, then it hits the ground it's JUST FUCKEN MUSCLE OUTTA DAT ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Macho
    The only one guy I've felt the same bulldozing effect in my BJJ class is a dude who has done wrestling. His pins are not as nasty as what I've seen in judoka, but they are nasty nonetheless.

    Once you get held in a pin, the best thing to start with is by working your way towards NOT having your back flat, tilt yourself a bit on your hips or shoulders.
    The flatter your back is, the more effective the pin is applied to you. And if you are doing judo, try to scramble into a turtle; try to outmuscle, just don't stay flat.

    Leaving my back flat and lying there thinking what the **** to do w/o actually trying anything is a mistake I keep doing all the time.
    I have rolled with a few judo guys but I guess just not ones that were any good at the pinning like you say.

    I have found that the positional dominance in BJJ involves not so much a traditional pin with strength as correct pressure being applied on a focal point for control of the aquired position. This is then coupled with correct placement of the other parts of the body to maintain that control during transition. While it appears that newaza in judo is pure strength (I really don't know from a judo perspective its just what Ive read here) positional control and dominance in BJJ is a compilation of many different body mechanics applied at the same time, i.e., legs, hips, hip angle, chest, chest angle, shoulders, grip, and head.

    Thus, when being held in scarf by my 165lb instructor it feels like a 250lb guy is squeezing the air out me and my ability to esacape is very limited.
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    I really have to think that the "gentle art" translation for Judo is a bit incorrect. It seems to be that it would be better translated into the flexible art. Judo should be a finesse art while standing and on the ground but I definitely think that the decline of newaza has stiffled some of the potential on the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenJonas
    I have rolled with a few judo guys but I guess just not ones that were any good at the pinning like you say.

    I have found that the positional dominance in BJJ involves not so much a traditional pin with strength as correct pressure being applied on a focal point for control of the aquired position. This is then coupled with correct placement of the other parts of the body to maintain that control during transition. While it appears that newaza in judo is pure strength (I really don't know from a judo perspective its just what Ive read here) positional control and dominance in BJJ is a compilation of many different body mechanics applied at the same time, i.e., legs, hips, hip angle, chest, chest angle, shoulders, grip, and head.

    Thus, when being held in scarf by my 165lb instructor it feels like a 250lb guy is squeezing the air out me and my ability to esacape is very limited.
    Well, I'm pretty sure that me just being 150lbs was an important factor in feeling the 'bulldozer' effect. I was lucky to find this judo club, almost everybody is a black belt and extremelly competitive. They have newaza on tuesday nights, and a lot of the training goes on applying and escaping pins. With the BJJ guys (except the wrestler guy) I don't get pancaked that much. Both games have a different feeling.

    Since almost everybody is a lot bigger than me, I guess that's why I experienced the judo holds like that :tongue6:
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    Lot of judoka focus on escaping from newaza to standing and imo that led to stiff pin for 25 sec.
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    The few judokas ive sparred did feel alot stiffer. They would jerk you to do a transition, and their pin would be more crushing. Overall, it feels more aggressive.
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    The groundfighting in Judo is everybit as good as BJJ. The only reason why BJJ guys are the best on the ground is becuase they spend most of their time there.
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    Hmmm, did you read what the OP was talking about?
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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