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  1. patfromlogan is offline
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    Sheol,
    Having practiced knife defense in several styles (we always used a dummy weapon - or atleast a dull bladed knife) it come to me to question just how does one practice using real world weapons - how do you train with a razor sharp blade?
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    patfromlogan:

    For most, the only practical way is to use drones (dummy weapons) as you mention it. Plastic ones are cheap but are nearly worthless, neither closely resembling the feel and heft of a weapon. Metal and wood drones are the best but costs are high and wood ones are more dangerous of the two. One must still use some common sense with dummy knives. A touch from a blade surface must always be considered a cut. There is ABSOLUTELY no such thing as grabbing or stopping a blade with your body TOUCHING an edge. It just means somebody lost some fingers or got a deep cut in a hand/limb with all of the implications that are implied. The usage of lipstick or a water-soluble dye is effective in judging if an edge actually touched you. There is no such thing as immunity to deep cuts or well placed shallow ones (I won't even bother mentioning the implications of a thrust). The human body, such as musculature, will automatically convulse and one cannot simply 'wade' into blade strikes and continue fighting effectively like your typical fantasy movie or game hero does.

    Further, despite have blunted weapons, there will be injuries since you need to train at full-speed or as close to it as possible. A 'cut' will sting and you will bruise or even bleed if a good stroke is landed. A 'thrust' is even more dangerous (people have DIED or been severely injured by blunt-weapon thrusts) and good blade control is absolutely required. Even then severe bruising and some puncturing will occur. The minimum safety equipment in my book is a good pair of retaining strapped, shooting glasses/goggles (full coverage). A full facial helmet (no wide wire fronts or foam helmets) or sabre mask is recommended.

    If you work with dulled blades (flat-grinded and deburred), keep in mind that the surface area of a strike is still very small and severe cuts and punctures are still possible. (My hands and forearms are testimonial to this.) Thrusting tips must ALWAYS be back-curve blunted (the tip turned into itself), if not balled. As always, good sense must prevail. Both you and your partner MUST have excellent blade control but keep in mind that accidents will happen, even among professionals.

    Always have a GOOD first aid kit, complete with tourniquet, close by with all partners well versed in first aid care. Training is useless to you if you die from it.
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    I'd rather fight a guy who has a baseball bat than a knife. Those things are the worst.
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    For 1999 the FBI reported the following:

    Total Murder Victims: 12,658
    Firearms: 65%
    Bladed Weapons: 13%
    Blunt Weapons: 6%
    Personal Weapons (unarmed): 6%
    Other: 5%

    Far more people are murdered with firearms than any other weapon. The justifiable homicide numbers (private citizens) are somewhat similar:

    Total Justifiable Homicides by Private Citizens:
    Firearms: 82%
    Bladed Weapons: 10%
    Blunt Weapons: 5%
    Personal Weapons (Unarmed): 3%

    For personal protection, firearms are still the best choice. However, due to growing gun-control laws and statutes restricting where licensed firearms may be carried, edged weapons are clearly the second most effective choice. Blunt weapons are third and personal weapons are a distant fourth. Non-lethal devices such as sprays have their place as well.
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