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  1. lazyartist101 is offline

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    What a Good Martial art for someone with flat fleet.

    i just went to a free boxing class at my college for the first time and i picked up some of the stuff real easy,but i had a hard time staying on the toes of my feet which made doing some of the combo's hardbecasue i had to move around on my heels and having flat feet makes it hard because i have no arch in my feet.

    so should i quit MA completely or are there other arts i can take. preferably a stand up art.
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    I have massive flat feet, and I'm doing fine in Judo.
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     Style: Aikido/Judo/BJJ/Naginata

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    I have flat feet and I've never thought of it as ever hampering my ability to learn martial arts. As a matter of fact I'd say I pick up things quicker than the average person due to being highly athletic and playing baseball and basketball very competitively when I was younger (another thing flat feet never affected). Did you ever think that maybe what you are doing is hard because you've never done it before? If you really do have experience in MMA/JKD/Muay Thai/SAMBO then you should be no stranger to new and unnatural body movements that take time to pick up.
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    I have flat feet. You *want* systems that encourage you to stay on the balls of your feet because your knees are more likely to be properly aligned. If you use any postures where your feet are flat, your knee will drop inward, leading to long term injuries.

    As I just got out of surgery to fix such an injury *today*, I can vouch for the truth of this.
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    Posted On:
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    When the hell did flat feet become a fucking disability?
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGA JESUS-SAN
    When the hell did flat feet become a fucking disability?
    The moment we became a nation of pussies.

    Seriously though, lazyartist101, you are either trolling or you are whining a bit too much. Seriously, MA is not supposed to be comfortable. By its very nature, it will be very uncomfortable at a times.

    The discomfort, if any, that being flat footed brings you should not be reason enough to even consider quitting MA. I'd say you are not that seriously interested, which is totally acceptable... OR you wanted to avoid the hard physical work that comes with it (and which makes training sessions to suck ass.)

    But in the unlikely event you are actually feeling a discomfort that is truly, truly bad, it could be then that you have an existing condition on your foot, microfactures maybe. I'm just throwing that out in the event what you say is true (since I know what a microfacture in the foot is like.)

    Apart from a microfacture, the most likely cause is dorsiflexion inflexibility. Your ankles may be weak and inflexible, the articulations in your feet may be weak, and/or your calve and shin muscles are weak and inflexible. Nothing than cannot be corrected. See www.exrx.net for advice in how to deal with it.

    If you still can't cope with the discomfort, then I'd suggest you see a doctor or something. It can't possibly be just because you are flat-footed, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGA JESUS-SAN
    When the hell did flat feet become a fucking disability?
    Do you have some kind of textual Tourette's or something? Did anyone use the word "disability?"

    Flat feet usually aren't a problem (or "disability") for most things except when it comes to high-stress activities that involve changing direction/pivoting while bearing a load. Wih flat feet, you will tend to bear your weight too far inward on each foot. People with flat feet also tend to be flexible in other joints, because your arch is a function of low elasticity in the bottom of the foot. If you have that, you probably tend to have loose knees, hips, etc.

    The net efect of this is to draw your knees and hips out of alignment into a "knock-knees" posture. When you drop your weight onto a knee positioned like this repeatedly, the stresses can cause eventual injury.

    (Incidentally, this means that some forms of Wing Chun training and bad karate training are biomechanically dangerous to the practitioner.)

    When your weight is on the balls of your feet your feet create the tension and positioning associated with a proper arch. Physiotherapy exercises to help create arch tone generally force you to push the ball of your foot near the big toe down and back for this reason.

    Before my surgery I was given a set of exercises to help with this sort of problem. They're easy to do and can't hurt you:

    3x15 was recommended to me.

    1) The grabbing the towel with your toes exercise. It's borning and frustrating, but it works. Scrunch up a towel with your toes. Add weight when this gets easy.

    2) Stand on one foot -- with your eyes closed (this forces you to rely in proprioception.

    3) Tense the bottom of youre foot to create an arch. Once the arch is created raise your toes, slowly and lower them, keeping the tense arch.

    4) Calf raises. Lots and lost of calf raises.

    5) Stretch calves and ankles. Especially the outside of the ankle (tou want to aim for tone/tightness in the inside).

    6) Squats using an exercise ball, while concentrating on maintaining knee/ankle alignment and your arch.

    Again, this is informtion provided by the physio program I was on, so it comes from professionals, *but* be warned that it was tailored for me to complement surgery and prevent re-injury. On the other hand, it's very light exercise and can't hurt.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by lazyartist101
    i just went to a free boxing class at my college for the first time and i picked up some of the stuff real easy,but i had a hard time staying on the toes of my feet which made doing some of the combo's hardbecasue i had to move around on my heels and having flat feet makes it hard because i have no arch in my feet.

    so should i quit MA completely or are there other arts i can take. preferably a stand up art.
    stop being a whiny ***** and making excuses. flat feet isnt the problem here its your victim complex.
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    This is a **** of a lot of **** talk for a thread that is:

    A) A reasonable topic started without much fanfare (the OP didn't fucking say "disabled," idiots. He said he was having a minor-sounding problem and reasonably asked for suggestions on how to tune it up).

    B) Doesn't even belong in YMAS.
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