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  1. Binary is offline

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    Columbia River Knives

    Hey all, back again, with more questions and the like,
    I gotta birthday commin up and was going to use it as an excuse to get a few blades

    One is a Kukri from Ka-Bar, which has solid reviews.
    The other is a throwing knife from Cold Steel, which also has solid reviews, and is sold out like everywhere (which I figure is a good sign)

    But there are two knives from Columbia River Knives I wanted to get, and I haven't really heard one way or another on these guys quality.
    I mean I know Benchmade and Cold Steel, and a few of the other big ones that are trust worthy,

    I have also not really heard any mention of them on this site, even though they seem to have a fair share of weapons, and none of they really look like giant black cocks of doom
    (read: Dark Ops Knives)

    So I was wondering if anyone here had any experience with CRK blades and knew about the quality (or lack there of) surrounding them.

    One of the knives I wanted to grab are:
    http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-15305.html

    Because I need a small pocket knife esq blade, and frankly I just haven't found any folders that really do it for me.
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    Posted On:
    8/15/2006 12:40pm


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    I've never had a problem with a CRKT knife. In fact, they make one of my favorites (the Rollock).
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    Posted On:
    8/15/2006 12:46pm


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    The other knife I wanna pick up from CRKT I'm a bit embarassed about frankly.
    It's not some horrible crime against practicality, but all things said and done it is just not the most practical thing to own.

    It just appeals to that LARPer in me that I can't quite silence yet at this young of an age.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Binary
    It's not some horrible crime against practicality, but all things said and done it is just not the most practical thing to own.
    Neither is my Kukri (Service Issue #1) but I love it. I keep it sharp and oiled for the day of the Zombie uprising.

    Also I really like my CRKT M16-13…carry it every day.
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    8/15/2006 2:49pm


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    The knife I was refering to is this one.




    Yeah yeah yeah, I know.
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    Posted On:
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    I picked up the medium sized "First Strike", which looks like the "Normal" version of your LARP knife. Shiny finish with black cord wrapped around the base.

    Frankly, it is a beautiful piece of cutlery. You really feel like you're holding a solid chunk of razor sharp steel, rather than a flimsy pawn shop piece.

    The blade is a little more blunt than my Cold Steel Recon Tanto, but I have a feeling it could take more damage. The only thing that concerns me is the lack of any finger guard.

    Why am I worried about a finger guard?

    Because you don't buy a knife like the "First Strike", or your LARP version, for box cutting and yardwork...you buy one for home defense or as a collector.

    While the grip is strong, I'd be concerned about "Stab Slippage" that could cost me my fingers if I ever had to use it.

    Therefore, YMMV.
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    8/15/2006 3:05pm


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    Yeah that LARP knife is actually just the medium first strike with a different color scheme that appeals to me more than the silver with black handle.

    It's the exact same knife as yours.

    Just a different color, and the same price.
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    Posted On:
    8/15/2006 4:57pm


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    Hey, wait a minute! You study Kali! Sweet, let me pick your brain a minute.

    In Kali, is the lack of a substantial finger guard an impediment or not? Are Kali techniques "Stabby" in nature enough to warrant serious consideration for a finger guard, or do the techniques rely on other methods of penetration to inflict injury?

    All my knife work stems from Marine Corps Martial Arts...which consists of alternating palms to the face with the lead hand and relatively simple cut/thrust techniques at opposite angles while moving forward. Stabbing/Thrusting techniques are considered more 'Lethal', with 'Cutting' techniques reserved for forearms and hands.

    As such, even though a potential "Knife Fight" exists purely within my paranoid dreams, I still instinctively lean towards a knife with a solid grip and finger guard.
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    8/15/2006 8:22pm


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    Strictly speaking Kali is mostly a slashing art, where finger gaurds aren't so important.
    The idea being as such.
    It can generally be said stabbing to the gut is really your only viable combat move with thrusting in t3h street, as the heart is too well protected, and takes too much force to penetrate.

    If you stab, you puncture organs and the such, yes.
    The idea behind Kali is to slash the gut, and make a long line, because then the person you are figthing, unless they are incredibly lucky, will start having guts fall out.

    I'm not a huge veteran in Kali or anything but from what I know it is almost entirely slashing and cutting.

    The outer strikes being to slash your opponents wrists as they swipe at you, then further in the biceps.
    Then further still the neck and gut.

    The stabs Kali Impliments are really two or three.
    To kidneys, to the heart, and the subclavean artery, but good luck getting at those unless you are taking someone by surprise, when then the best idea would be to cut their throat.

    But again addressing paranoia, unless you are a hitman or a government specialist, (assuming you are a law abiding citizen) you will be never be sneaking up on someone with intent of killing.

    So if we are in some sort of Kali esq knife fight, slashing is going to dominate your attacks.

    If you don't do Kali or the like? You will probably rush them and stab them in the gut or somewhere near there.

    So to those doing Kali a finger guard isn't going to be the most important.

    Some may argue that Kali also teaches you to counter slash by slashing at fingers to try and **** up someones hand. The counter this is, unless you have a full knuckle gaurd with the finger loops and such, the small stopper that the normal finger guard provides will be moot.

    Slashing also allows you to hide behind the blade. You are always behind the blade, and the blade is quickly moving so it prevents your opponent from grabbing your hand.
    A thrust makes it easier to grab your hand, also it opens up your inner forearm which if it gets cut pretty much fucks you from holding your knife.

    Mind you all of this is assuming that the person you are fighting jumps out from behind a corner and engages you head on in an ACTUAL knife fight.
    Because THAT is a knife fight.

    You need to understand knife fights happen VERY rarely. What happen often are STABBINGS. If someone is intent on cutting you, they will not show you the knife until they are RIGHT next you and fucking cutting you open. Or they will run past you and just shank you on the run. To imagine that someone intent on hurting you for any reason is going to present himself as an open target and allow you to defend yourself is kinda delusional.



    Long story short, if your trained and a highly d34dly killing machine, then a finger guard isn't going to be that important.

    This is my take at very least, if someone wants to call me a retard and completely refute my claims then feel free.
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    Posted On:
    8/15/2006 11:23pm


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    No, it makes sense to me. Thanks for taking the time to type that!
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